M.A. Fleury a Hall of Famer?

[HabsQC]

Thought this thread needed a bump before the finals.

Do you guys now think MAF has done enough to get in ?

Does he need to win this cup ?

I previously said in this thread that the whole team should be inducted were they to win the cup.

 

[End on a Hinote]

If he wins the cup, no question. Never mind the Conn Smythe or Vezina, he is in.

 

[Kahvi]

If he wins the cup, no question. Never mind the Conn Smythe or Vezina, he is in.

I fully agree with this, if Vegas wins he's 100% HOF

 

[BigBadBruins7708]

I fully agree with this, if Vegas wins he's 100% HOF

not even close.

He currently has 1 Cup (0 Finals games played in 16 and 17)...unless you're going to call Tuukka Rask a Cup winning goalie.

He has never been considered one of the best goalies, and routinely was the reason why the Pens didnt win more Cups.

Wins doesnt make you a HOF goalie (hello Osgood and Cujo).

Vezina record: 7, 8
GAA finishes: 3, 8, 9
sv% finishes: 5, 6, 10

He isn't even a Claude Lemieux...at least Claude was a key piece in all 4 of his Cups

 

[sr edler]

He weren't before this season but if he wins the Cup and a Smythe now with Vegas they'll put him in for sure.

 

[Kahvi]

not even close.

He currently has 1 Cup (0 Finals games played in 16 and 17)...unless you're going to call Tuukka Rask a Cup winning goalie.

He has never been considered one of the best goalies, and routinely was the reason why the Pens didnt win more Cups.

Wins doesnt make you a HOF goalie (hello Osgood and Cujo).

Vezina record: 7, 8
GAA finishes: 3, 8, 9
sv% finishes: 5, 6, 10

He isn't even a Claude Lemieux...at least Claude was a key piece in all 4 of his Cups

The feel good story of Vegas winning makes him HOF

 

[Perfect_Drug]

Here are all the goalie inductees into the HHOF in the past 30 years (All have Vezinas):

1993	Billy Smith	G	Canada
2003	Grant Fuhr	G	Canada
2006	Patrick Roy	G	Canada
2011	Ed Belfour	G	Canada
2014	Dominik Hasek	G	Czech Republic
2016	Rogie Vachon	G	Canada

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

(You can etch in stone Martin Brodeur as a 1st Ballot HHOF).

As impressive as Fleury's current run is, There have been historic goalie runs to the cup in the past.
Giguere, Ranford, Khabibulin, Quick. Also none of them have won a Vezina, and none of them are in the Hall.

Fleury needs a Vezina to be a consideration.

 

[BigBadBruins7708]

Here are all the goalie inductees into the HHOF in the past 30 years (All have Vezinas):

1993	Billy Smith	G	Canada
2003	Grant Fuhr	G	Canada
2006	Patrick Roy	G	Canada
2011	Ed Belfour	G	Canada
2014	Dominik Hasek	G	Czech Republic
2016	Rogie Vachon	G	Canada

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

(You can etch in stone Martin Brodeur as a 1st Ballot HHOF).


As impressive as Fleury's current run is, There have been historic goalie runs to the cup in the past.
Giguere, Ranford, Khabibulin, Quick. Also none of them have won a Vezina, and none of them are in the Hall.


Fleury needs a Vezina to be a consideration.

yup, granted its a unique case but Tim Thomas has 2 Vezinas and an all time Smythe run and isnt sniffing the hall

 

[Syckle78]

Yep if he wins he's in. Not saying I think he should just what I think will happen.

 

[Shrimper]

If they win the Cup and he wins the Conn Smythe then he should absolutely be in. That final, individual award should be enough.

Here are all the goalie inductees into the HHOF in the past 30 years (All have Vezinas):

1993	Billy Smith	G	Canada
2003	Grant Fuhr	G	Canada
2006	Patrick Roy	G	Canada
2011	Ed Belfour	G	Canada
2014	Dominik Hasek	G	Czech Republic
2016	Rogie Vachon	G	Canada

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

(You can etch in stone Martin Brodeur as a 1st Ballot HHOF).

As impressive as Fleury's current run is, There have been historic goalie runs to the cup in the past.
Giguere, Ranford, Khabibulin, Quick. Also none of them have won a Vezina, and none of them are in the Hall.

Fleury needs a Vezina to be a consideration.

Your comparison are pretty terrible. How many of those have 3 Cups, over 400 wins whilst going for their 4th and a Conn Smythe?

Talking of the Giguere, Ranford, Khabibulin, Quick comment

 

[BigBadBruins7708]

If they win the Cup and he wins the Conn Smythe then he should absolutely be in. That final, individual award should be enough.



Your comparison are pretty terrible. How many of those have 3 Cups, over 400 wins whilst going for their 4th and a Conn Smythe?

Smith has 4 Cups, a Smythe, 305 wins in the platoon days and something Fleury doesnt, a Vezina
Roy has 4 Cups, 3 Smythes, 550 wins, 3 Vezinas
Fuhr has 4 Cups, 400 wins, and a Vezina
Hasek has 2 Cups, 390 wins, 6 Vezinas, 2 Harts
Belfour has 1 Cup, 2 Vezinas, 480 wins

That is not a tree you want to go barking up

 

[Bixby Snyder]

Tom Barrasso should be next goalie in, he has the cups and the Vezina.

 

[Shrimper]

Smith has 4 Cups, a Smythe, 305 wins in the platoon days and something Fleury doesnt, a Vezina
Roy has 4 Cups, 3 Smythes, 550 wins, 3 Vezinas
Fuhr has 4 Cups, 400 wins, and a Vezina
Hasek has 2 Cups, 390 wins, 6 Vezinas, 2 Harts
Belfour has 1 Cup, 2 Vezinas, 480 wins

That is not a tree you want to go barking up

I'm talking of the ones he listed below. We're he mentions Quick, Khabibulin etc

 

[ColbyChaos]

0 individual awards with how strict the hhof is when it comes to goalies even if Vegas wins and fleury gets a the smythe it will still be a longshot he is in. He has been well behind his peers in net for an overwhelming majority of his career.

 

[ColbyChaos]

If they win the Cup and he wins the Conn Smythe then he should absolutely be in. That final, individual award should be enough.



Your comparison are pretty terrible. How many of those have 3 Cups, over 400 wins whilst going for their 4th and a Conn Smythe?

Talking of the Giguere, Ranford, Khabibulin, Quick comment

All those goalies inducted were at the very least top 5 at their position for a majority of their career, you cant say the same for Fleury at all.

 

[Goose]

Team victories (e.g. a possible 4th cup) means so much that with 4 he likely gets in, even though he's probably not as a good of a goaltender (either historically or compared to other goalies in his era) as a guy like CuJo was.

 

[Curufinwe]

If he wins the Cup for Vegas then he should definitely be in.

 

[Shrimper]

All those goalies inducted were at the very least top 5 at their position for a majority of their career, you cant say the same for Fleury at all.

I'm talking about the ones that haven't been inducted though, as mentioned. Obvious why those inducted are

 

[The Red Helmet]

I think he is a lock if Vegas wins it all.

 

[Newsworthy]

MAF has a very strong case for the Hall of Fame if he wins this year's cup.

 

[Laveuglette]

Remember, this is the Hall of Fame. If he leads an expansion team to the Cup (he would obviously win the Smythe as well) with a .940 save percentage, he's in for sure. It's history. That's what it's all about. Players who marked the history of the game. Fleury will be one if they win.

 

[radapex]

He's very likely going to finish his career as the 3rd goalie to ever hit the 500 win plateau (behind Roy and Brodeur). He could very well end up in the top 5 in career playoff games (he needs 14 more). If you tack on a 4th Stanley Cup and a Conn Smythe while leading an expansion team to a historic season, it's definitely going to spruce up that HoF resume.

 

[SirKillalot]

Last year that was my exact same argument. Maf = Chris osgood

But he pulled the pens thru the first two rounds of the playoffs. When did osgood ever put on a performance like that?

Not saying hes in the hof just yet but he's moved well ahead of ozzy

If Detroit had won the final in 09, Osgood would most likely won the Conn Smythe. It was either him or Zetterberg again. Alternatively Malkin would have won it anyway, even in a loss.

 

[The GM]

Tom Barrasso should be next goalie in, he has the cups and the Vezina.

And a Calder, a thrown chair and a surly personality

 

[Bring Bak Damphousse]

In order to be a Hall of Fame goalie on Hfboards criteria, you need 350+ wins, personal hardware and a Stanley Cup. Joseph and Luongo don't have the hardware and the Cup. Fleury doesn't have the hardware. Lundqvist and Miller don't have the Cup. Quick doesn't have the hardware, Ward might not get the wins.

You might never see another goalie in the Hall of fame, unless Bobrovsky, Holtby, Price or Rask win a Cup and another hundred games before they're done. Rinne could win a Cup this year but he still wouldn't have the Vezina, right? That's the standard, right?

I dont think thats HF boards criteria, but it seems to be the HOFs, the only goalies in the hof that played in the last 20 years are Roy, Hasek, Fuhr and Belfour, it’s just ridiculously hard for goalies to get in.