I wonder if his agent is the one concerned about Brown's income
Naw, couldn’t be. Those guys just have really big hearts
I wonder if his agent is the one concerned about Brown's income
I'm sure Logan is thrilled to be making 70,000...I wonder if his agent is the one concerned about Brown's income
I will refer to my original answer from earlier today:Well of course, what’s he supposed to say? On the one hand he can’t slam his boss for being cheap, and on the other hand he wants to support the employees that are there.
I was simply refuting the point.
We can argue all day about why a thing happened. All I said is that it did, in fact, happen... And certainly on more than one occasion.
I will refer to my original answer from earlier today:
I'm sure Logan is thrilled to be making 70,000...
Still no downside. He can force his way out. Has happened plenty of times with numerous players.
The Sens are the ones who lose out should this go that route. Especially stupid because it was completely avoidable.
Give him proper linemates and a fair shake in preseason. Allow him 10 games in the role at the NHL to show what he can do.
If he’s not ready, then it would be obvious, but Brown would feel valued and respected.
This is a lost season anyway. Creating a potential war with the only prospect who could end up as a #1 C is just more foolishness from our incompetent organization.
Tough shit. I guess he could have done something about it. My God the wringing of hands reeks of some PTSD suffering Sens fans.I'm sure Logan is thrilled to be making 70,000...
Hey Nac, I never mentioned Melnyk or tried to make it about him in any way.I want to say first of all: you are doing one hell of a disservice to the #melynkout crowd by pushing this. Like it or not, Brown simply didn't show enough to be on the roster right now. Making every damned thing a crusade against Melynk is foolish at this point. Rallying to the defense of a prospect that has proven **** all does nothing to push Eugene out the door. Give it a damned rest or put it in the appropriates threads.
And let's not forget, the coaches still have eyes and ears with they use to evaluate players in practices, in warmups, int he weight room, in the locker room, and in team meetings. The evaluations isn't all about the handful of minutes on the ice during a few meaningless preseason games. Hell, most of the evaluation occurs away from those games.
Logan had just as much opportunity as anyone on the ice to earn a spot. He didn't. Simple as that.
So presenting counter argument and suggesting a better process is acting hysterical.Why are you acting so hysterically about this?
He was borderline to make the team, could have gone either way and it didn’t go his way.
If this is what causes him to freak out, feel worthless, or ‘go to war’ then it only emphasizes that this was the right decision b/c if that’s the case he’s an immature twit, which I don’t think is the case.
Just a kid pissed he didn’t make the team, team feels it’s best for his development. Happens all the time, to better players than him.
[mod]Ive been discussing Brown the entire time. You throw these comments around like they are fact. Then I answer it and you accuse me of derailing... Unbelievable.Hi Bert, it seems like a waste that you chose that paragraph as the one to respond to. I don’t really care about your opinions on the media enough to derail the conversation from the obvious topic any further than you’ve already done.
Maybe someone else is interested in discussing it with you.
Bingo! Time for Logan to get to work he will be up soon stop complaining and put a muzzle on your agent.St.Louis Kostin was send down after 3g 3a 6pts +5 in 4 preseason games without shedding a tear.
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Why can't he play 20 min a night on the Sens?You must be getting paid full time for this. Ive been discussing Brown the entire time. You throw these comments around like they are fact. Then I answer it and you accuse me of derailing... Unbelievable.
Ill speak to the topic you brought up. If youd like to see an example of the media actually reporting on Melnyk heres an article for you that came out this morning. If only our media would report like this.
https://nypost.com/2019/10/04/nhl-must-step-in-to-stop-shady-senators-owner-eugene-melnyk/
Back to Brown, I think if his agent did this on his own he should fire him. The sens are trying to develop him properly he is too important a prospect to screw up he has to turn out. Letting him play 20 minutes a game in all situations in the AHL wont hurt him. Playing him 10 minutes a game in the NHL on a bad team could.
[mod]Ive been discussing Brown the entire time. You throw these comments around like they are fact. Then I answer it and you accuse me of derailing... Unbelievable.
Ill speak to the topic you brought up. If youd like to see an example of the media actually reporting on Melnyk heres an article for you that came out this morning. If only our media would report like this.
https://nypost.com/2019/10/04/nhl-must-step-in-to-stop-shady-senators-owner-eugene-melnyk/
Back to Brown, I think if his agent did this on his own he should fire him. The sens are trying to develop him properly he is too important a prospect to screw up he has to turn out. Letting him play 20 minutes a game in all situations in the AHL wont hurt him. Playing him 10 minutes a game in the NHL on a bad team could.
I want to say first of all: you are doing one hell of a disservice to the #melynkout crowd by pushing this. Like it or not, Brown simply didn't show enough to be on the roster right now. Making every damned thing a crusade against Melynk is foolish at this point. Rallying to the defense of a prospect that has proven **** all does nothing to push Eugene out the door. Give it a damned rest or put it in the appropriates threads.
And let's not forget, the coaches still have eyes and ears with they use to evaluate players in practices, in warmups, int he weight room, in the locker room, and in team meetings. The evaluations isn't all about the handful of minutes on the ice during a few meaningless preseason games. Hell, most of the evaluation occurs away from those games.
Logan had just as much opportunity as anyone on the ice to earn a spot. He didn't. Simple as that.
One might consider that the team used training camp and preseason to determine exactly what he needs to work on.Why can't he play 20 min a night on the Sens?
Why not give him a chance to play the role they are grooming him for and show themselves and Brown if he is capable?
If he can't get the job done you send him down with knowledge of exactly what he needs to work on and Brown would have felt like he had a chance.
You still haven't explained why the club couldn't go this route.
Why can't he play 20 min a night on the Sens?.
That feels a bit heavy handed. It’s easy to suggest a player didn’t stand out over a couple of games. I could suggest that White, Bath, CT, Pager, Boedker, Ennis, Brown, etc showed less than Logan at camp. The only reason they default to making the team is their contract status.
That feels a bit heavy handed. It’s easy to suggest a player didn’t stand out over a couple of games. I could suggest that White, Bath, CT, Pager, Boedker, Ennis, Brown, etc showed less than Logan at camp. The only reason they default to making the team is their contract status.
The team put him in a position to fail.One might consider that the team used training camp and preseason to determine exactly what he needs to work on.
If I'm going to question why a player wasn't kept up it sure as heck wouldn't be Brown who simply did not stand out. Where are the tears for Anramov who had a much more impressive camp?
Because he is clearly not ready to do that. And frankly nothing else needs to be said on it
Because in hockey you earn the opportunity to play 20 minutes a night. Its not handed to you. Show me another team in the league that gives rookies first line minutes before they have earned it and ill show you a failed organization. Thats how hockey works, thats how its always worked. You want to see a dysfunctional dressing room its one where players dictate their own ice time not the coach. There is and always has been a relationship between veterans and young players, if you think a player is going to succeed by whining to the organization for icetime before he has earned it then youre mistaken. If you think thats how an NHL dressing room works then youre even more mistaken. Being a veteran in the league matters, you have to earn it. Its not a debate thats how it works. You are arguing the sens change the fundamental values in hockey because an unproven rookie is sad he didnt make the team. Far more at stake if they do that then making a soft player upset.Why can't he play 20 min a night on the Sens?
Why not give him a chance to play the role they are grooming him for and show themselves and Brown if he is capable?
If he can't get the job done you send him down with knowledge of exactly what he needs to work on and Brown would have felt like he had a chance.
You still haven't explained why the club couldn't go this route.
They put him in a position to prove he is too good to be be kept down the lineup. He failed to do so. A decent game in a more prominent role really doesn't erase that.The team put him in a position to fail.
If you want to find out if he can handle the #1C role, then play him there. The only game they did, he looked good.
Sens have never done this in the history of the franchise. Spezza, Havlat, Bonk, Phillips, Hossa, Alfie all started on the 4th line and worked their way up. Hell Phillips was a first overall d man and they played him left wing. Spezza was a WAY better prospect and they sent him to the minors. But now lets change it up because Logan is sad. Catoring to whiners is not how to build a winning culture.The team put him in a position to fail.
If you want to find out if he can handle the #1C role, then play him there. The only game they did, he looked good.