Speculation: Likelihood of Oilers acquiring forward help

[bernmeister]

Well as has been mentioned around here multiple times daily, it sounds like Holland has almost no interest in moving his 1st round pick. So from that you can probably gauge his willingness to trade the defenseman he just drafted 8th overall.

So scrounge together what you’d like from picks in the 2nd to 7th rounds, and prospects not drafted in the top 10, and we’ll see if there’s anything that might interest Holland from the Rangers that he can’t get anywhere else.

Judging from your list there, I’m going to say no.

Holland can issue his edicts, which are pre the latest slew of injuries.
NY is not giving away these 3.
If Oil want, Oil have to pay.
If no deal, fine.
EDM is the one hoping to save possible playoff pic.

Strome + 2nd +
Buch = 2nd ++
Howden = mid 1st or similar w/better upside

Given this ^ above reality, my ask was not outrageous.
You prefer to keep yr futures, fine,
But those 3 we are not giving away cheap/paying someone to take.
Those are reasonable values and we do not move them for less.

 

[drw02]

What makes you think we’d give up our 1st for him?

If Holland wouldn’t trade it for Hall it sure as hell isnt going anywhere for AA.

Perhaps because Hall is a rental who’ll be seeking a ton of money this summer. Holland isn’t good at winning trades, if you guys are gonna make a move you should expect to give up your 1st.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

What makes you think we’d give up our 1st for him?

If Holland wouldn’t trade it for Hall it sure as hell isnt going anywhere for AA.

You really comparing Hall to AA, First off Hall is a rental AA still has 2 more years of control until free agency. And AA can be locked up long term if need be and much cheaper then Hall. You can't compare a pending UFA over a pending RFA that's just laughable.

 

[Seachd]

Perhaps because Hall is a rental who’ll be seeking a ton of money this summer. Holland isn’t good at winning trades, if you guys are gonna make a move you should expect to give up your 1st.

This seems kind of silly. Forwards at the deadline only go for 1sts?

 

[Chayos]

You really comparing Hall to AA, First off Hall is a rental AA still has 2 more years of control until free agency. And AA can be locked up long term if need be and much cheaper then Hall. You can't compare a pending UFA over a pending RFA that's just laughable.

Well I guess that works if you don’t compare the quality of player. This makes Lucic one of the more valuable players because Calgary has 4 years of control?

 

[drw02]

This seems kind of silly. Forwards at the deadline only go for 1sts?

If you want term and any modicum of offensive impact then mostly yes. If you want a bottom 6 rental you can probably just give up a mid round pick

 

[Jerkbait]

Holland is alot like Dubas....they sit and wait until it's too late .... dubas went and got a capable backup finally but still needs to address the D issue. Holland needs help up front . They are currently still in a playoff spot but clinging. Buy some time to McDavid gets back and go get a forward. You can say what you want about GM Rutherford but he addresses his teams needs and gives them a shot...back to back cups proves this can work !!! Stop being so neutral and go get some help!!!!

 

[FightingIrish17]

Except Larsson is a bruising physical shut down d that kills penalties and Green is a broken down power play specialist and the Oilers have the top power play as it is.

Adam Larsson is likely going to be replaced by Evan Bouchard by next season anyway. The point I was trying to make is that Edmonton could trade for a cheap (to acquire) RHD to mitigate the loss of one mid-season, assuming Edmonton didn't want to call up Bouchard just yet. If you're dead-set on that type of D-man then substitute "Mike Green" with your desired rental.

The Leafs need a D now; Edmonton wants to wait for the summer to trade Larsson. The way out of this dilemma is for Edmonton to get a 3 month replacement and cash out on Larsson's value now while it is at its peak.

 

[TFHockey]

Adam Larsson is likely going to be replaced by Evan Bouchard by next season anyway. The point I was trying to make is that Edmonton could trade for a cheap (to acquire) RHD to mitigate the loss of one mid-season, assuming Edmonton didn't want to call up Bouchard just yet. If you're dead-set on that type of D-man then substitute "Mike Green" with your desired rental.

The Leafs need a D now; Edmonton wants to wait for the summer to trade Larsson. The way out of this dilemma is for Edmonton to get a 3 month replacement and cash out on Larsson's value now while it is at its peak.

You mean after his goal?

Holland can issue his edicts, which are pre the latest slew of injuries.
NY is not giving away these 3.
If Oil want, Oil have to pay.
If no deal, fine.
EDM is the one hoping to save possible playoff pic.

Strome + 2nd +
Buch = 2nd ++
Howden = mid 1st or similar w/better upside

Given this ^ above reality, my ask was not outrageous.
You prefer to keep yr futures, fine,
But those 3 we are not giving away cheap/paying someone to take.
Those are reasonable values and we do not move them for less.

Hey Bern I don't mean to pick on you. However, you're asking price is extremely high for the players being discussed in this thread (effectively two 1st round picks) and there are very few deals made for non game-breakers that get that kind of return. I like Buchnevich but I don't consider him a top tier talent. Even if you do a top tier winger isn't what we are talking about here.

All the Oilers are really looking for are a 3C and a top 6 forward (or middle 6 who can move up when needed). The ask can't be two 1st round picks (+ whatever you consider an acceptable cap dump) for those kinds of players.

 

[FightingIrish17]

You mean after his goal?

No, I mean while he still has more than a year of term on the contract. His value pre-deadline > value in the summer based purely on his contractual situation. A contender needing a D will likely pay more for one during the season.

 

[PromoterDave]

Kerfoot for Benning

 

[bernmeister]

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Hey Bern I don't mean to pick on you. However, you're asking price is extremely high for the players being discussed in this thread (effectively two 1st round picks) and there are very few deals made for non game-breakers that get that kind of return. I like Buchnevich but I don't consider him a top tier talent. Even if you do a top tier winger isn't what we are talking about here.

All the Oilers are really looking for are a 3C and a top 6 forward (or middle 6 who can move up when needed). The ask can't be two 1st round picks (+ whatever you consider an acceptable cap dump) for those kinds of players.

Thanks for the outreach.
Did not consider your exchange out of line or cruel, just point out my side here.

Yes, there is room to negotiate, there is room to consider a discount for a package deal. But, a la carte pricing:
Strome = 2nd +
Buch = 2nd ++
Howden = mid 1st ish

If you want to delve a bit further on these fine.
Assuming we take that at face value, that IS appropriate to what I sought.
Howden was a later 1st. He looks like he'll make as a middle 6. He immediately answers 3C needs and has lots of speed which Oil generally lack.

Howden [= late 1st when drafted now valued to mid 1st based on limited success and potential upside] + say Strome = ballpark a 10OA or thereabouts which is close to 8OA, we can discuss a negligible gap.

Buch I get not a 1st, but a 2nd ++ is ballpark equivalent
Again, room to negotiate.

But you get what you pay for,
AND
what you don't pay for.

You want an expiring Namest for a 3rd, that's what it costs [assuming they don't try and hold you up for a 2nd].
Namest at one time, arguably he had potential upside based on what he did w/Stamkos and the unknown of how that translated elsewhere. He has demonstrated he isn't anything special in most circumstances,

You want a build move for guys w/rfa, that is what it costs to step up.

If not fine, no harm no foul.

Every team has guys...
they'll pay you to take
or will take less than max due to cap or other reason
or will accept market
or want a profit/premium

Commensurate with current production, my ask is not unreasonable.

If you don't want all 3, fine
Want to make an acceptable counter offer, fine.

But we are not giving away these 3 assets w/value b'c your GM wants something for next to nothing.

peace out.

 

[ManofSteel55]

Bern, you are out of your mind. The parts you are asking for are known to be untouchable to Holland, and the players you are offering aren't close to the caliber it would take to get those pieces anyway. We don't need to deal with the Rangers, and if that is your prices, nobody else will either.

 

[ManwithNoIdentity]

Anthanasiou

 

[Seachd]

You want an expiring Namest for a 3rd, that's what it costs [assuming they don't try and hold you up for a 2nd].
Namest at one time, arguably he had potential upside based on what he did w/Stamkos and the unknown of how that translated elsewhere. He has demonstrated he isn't anything special in most circumstances,

Didn’t you say last year that Namestnikov was worth a 1st? I think this is the problem people have - the value you place on the players.

It’s kind of odd that you keep trying to turn a simple trade into a much bigger one, when there isn’t any indication that would be desired from either side. Just because you add more players doesn’t mean a team would be willing to give up much better assets over more of the lesser assets.

But I mean it seems pretty clear the Oilers probably aren’t too interested in giving up their 1st for Howden, and I’m sure Strome at that price isn’t too appealing. He’s done well this year, of course, but I think it would be a wait-and-see for most teams on him.

I expected more from Buchnevich this year, so I don’t think he would be too attractive at that price either.

If those are the prices for those players, I believe the Oilers would easily pass on all three, personally.

 

[ManwithNoIdentity]

Im not sure. He can read a stat sheet like anyone else, for one, and Athanasiou was a pain in the ass to negotiate with for another.

and even if we did squeak in and get swept, we’d draft no higher than 16th, and even then, I’d have SERIOUS questions if he dealt an unprotected first for a dude with as many goals as Alex Chiasson.

I’d have to imagine being on a team with Drai and McDavid might make negotiating easier for Holland

 

[Shaman464]

Everyone here has been watching him as long as you have. Do you think Detroit is on another planet?

You don’t need to get offended because people have a hard time believing he’ll give up a 1st for Athanasiou.

Not on another planet, but he's a shiny new toy for Oilers fans. He is notorious for overpaying to bring known quantities into the fold. To the point it became a meme, then just plan sad.

Also, to continue to spoil the KH experience. If nothing happens at the TDL for Edmonton, be prepared to hear about how tires were kicked. And if you have your first in June, prepare for it to be traded down for an extra second or third.

 

[Deplorable Lenny]

somebody specified LW pref = Buchnevich
of course Strome
right price gets 3C Howden

but we require profit on those
Broberg, 1st + acceptable cap dump
NY can

I knew when I read this ridiculous proposal that it was you before I even checked your name.

Your shtick of always trying to rob the Oilers is old man. Especially when you try to justify your crazy untealistc proposals that always make no sense and benefit NYR.

I'm starting to feel bad for you

 

[Deplorable Lenny]

Thanks for the outreach.
Did not consider your exchange out of line or cruel, just point out my side here.

Yes, there is room to negotiate, there is room to consider a discount for a package deal. But, a la carte pricing:
Strome = 2nd +
Buch = 2nd ++
Howden = mid 1st ish

If you want to delve a bit further on these fine.
Assuming we take that at face value, that IS appropriate to what I sought.
Howden was a later 1st. He looks like he'll make as a middle 6. He immediately answers 3C needs and has lots of speed which Oil generally lack.

Howden [= late 1st when drafted now valued to mid 1st based on limited success and potential upside] + say Strome = ballpark a 10OA or thereabouts which is close to 8OA, we can discuss a negligible gap.

Buch I get not a 1st, but a 2nd ++ is ballpark equivalent
Again, room to negotiate.

But you get what you pay for,
AND
what you don't pay for.

You want an expiring Namest for a 3rd, that's what it costs [assuming they don't try and hold you up for a 2nd].
Namest at one time, arguably he had potential upside based on what he did w/Stamkos and the unknown of how that translated elsewhere. He has demonstrated he isn't anything special in most circumstances,

You want a build move for guys w/rfa, that is what it costs to step up.

If not fine, no harm no foul.

Every team has guys...
they'll pay you to take
or will take less than max due to cap or other reason
or will accept market
or want a profit/premium

Commensurate with current production, my ask is not unreasonable.

If you don't want all 3, fine
Want to make an acceptable counter offer, fine.

But we are not giving away these 3 assets w/value b'c your GM wants something for next to nothing.

peace out.

You always forget there are 29 other teams that will always offer more than what you offer for the Rangers.

If the Oilers traded Broberg and a 1st they can get significantly more than what you are offering.

Oilers are not desperate to make a deal that they lose handidly. Any of those 3 players would be good for the Oilers but they likely could get each of them in smaller 1 for 1 deals with nowhere the value that you put on them. Especially Howden

 

[ChaoticOrange]

I’d have to imagine being on a team with Drai and McDavid might make negotiating easier for Holland

Worked wonders with Kassian

 

[Bryanbryoil]

Anthanasiou

What would you think of a conditional 1st in 2021 + a prospect? If he re-signs with us it becomes a 1st. Otherwise it's a 2nd + prospect.

 

[McSuper]

somebody specified LW pref = Buchnevich
of course Strome
right price gets 3C Howden

but we require profit on those
Broberg, 1st + acceptable cap dump
NY can

And we require profit on our assets . See how that works ?

 

[McSuper]

Jesus that's horrible for the Oilers...

Only the NYR can make a profit on their players . Everyone else has to take scraps for the Rangers . At least according to Bern

 

[McSuper]

Thanks for the outreach.
Did not consider your exchange out of line or cruel, just point out my side here.

Yes, there is room to negotiate, there is room to consider a discount for a package deal. But, a la carte pricing:
Strome = 2nd +
Buch = 2nd ++
Howden = mid 1st ish

If you want to delve a bit further on these fine.
Assuming we take that at face value, that IS appropriate to what I sought.
Howden was a later 1st. He looks like he'll make as a middle 6. He immediately answers 3C needs and has lots of speed which Oil generally lack.

Howden [= late 1st when drafted now valued to mid 1st based on limited success and potential upside] + say Strome = ballpark a 10OA or thereabouts which is close to 8OA, we can discuss a negligible gap.

Buch I get not a 1st, but a 2nd ++ is ballpark equivalent
Again, room to negotiate.

But you get what you pay for,
AND
what you don't pay for.

You want an expiring Namest for a 3rd, that's what it costs [assuming they don't try and hold you up for a 2nd].
Namest at one time, arguably he had potential upside based on what he did w/Stamkos and the unknown of how that translated elsewhere. He has demonstrated he isn't anything special in most circumstances,

You want a build move for guys w/rfa, that is what it costs to step up.

If not fine, no harm no foul.

Every team has guys...
they'll pay you to take
or will take less than max due to cap or other reason
or will accept market
or want a profit/premium

Commensurate with current production, my ask is not unreasonable.

If you don't want all 3, fine
Want to make an acceptable counter offer, fine.

But we are not giving away these 3 assets w/value b'c your GM wants something for next to nothing.

peace out.

LOL at saying Strome was a 10oa like it’s his value . Yakupov was a 1st OA are you paying high end asset for him . I know you could just sign him point is if the Oilers had him he wouldn’t be worth close to his draft value . Strome is worth a 2nd or a 3rd plus a b prospect

 

[ManwithNoIdentity]

What would you think of a conditional 1st in 2021 + a prospect? If he re-signs with us it becomes a 1st. Otherwise it's a 2nd + prospect.

Id take that and run, personally