sfvega
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haha, i'm the troll? every time you make a bullshit argument and i come at you with facts, you quickly go into meltdown mode. DUDE YOU'RE SUCH A F*CKING TROLL OMG!!!
What facts? All you do is spout BS and back it up with.....with.....hmmm, I'll let you know what you back it up with whenever you actually start.
the 2001 sixers weren't a high scoring team because of george lynch or raja bell or whoever else was on that team. they were a high scoring team because of AI. why is this so hard to grasp? they made the finals because of AI's SCORING. not his passing. again, why is this so hard to grasp?
The Sixers weren't a high-scoring team. They were ranked 15th out of 29 team, bottom half of the league. So, wrong again. Par for the course. But again, the point is that the supporting cast was weak, AI WAS an elite scorer and he facilitated in the regular season and in the playoffs. So there is a precedent for an elite scorer playing on an offense with very questionable options around him to still include them and get somewhere. It's not this stupid idea that you make it out to be.
when AI's assist totals went up in the mid 2000s, the team didn't even make the playoffs. when wade's assist totals went up without shaq, his teams never made it out of the first round. so yes, your argument is bullshit as i've said multiple times already.
Again, everything is an absolute. Iverson averaged 6 assists a game for his CAREER in addition to that postseason. He had high assists as a rookie. He was a very, very good passer as a pro and was a willing facilitator. It's not a case of a guy putting up garbage stats on bad teams.
AI AVERAGED assist numbers that were basically Kobe's career highs.
neither AI or wade made their teams better by increasing their assist totals. the stats and results don't lie
Except for the examples of them getting somewhere. Where as Kobe without a #2 won what exactly?
haha why the f*ck would i tell you what YOU posted. that right there just shows you know you're just trolling since you can't even remember the bullshit you keep posting. too funny
More of your circular logic.
I ask for examples of Kobe outplaying Shaq as teammates for any noteworthy amount of time, crickets.
I ask you to back up saying that passing to lesser offensive options being a stupid idea, crickets.
I ask you what being on a flawed offensive team has to do with numbers put up on a dominant, top 3 offense. More crickets.
When asked to expand upon giving more credit to Kobe as DECIDEDLY the Robin to Shaq's Batman than the amount of credit you give to Wade being DECIDEDLY the Batman to Shaq's aging Robin, *chirp chirp*
I ask you to back up the idea that it was easier for a center to score in the early 2000s and harder for a guard? Those same damn crickets again. And the funny thing is, this is all shit you brought up. You'd think you would be eager to expand on these ideas and tell me exactly where and how you are right and I'm a fool. But nope, you really just back it up with "no that is right and you are wrong hahaha". Yeah, that's not trolling at all, lil guy.
You can always tell people who are a fan of THE GAME and people who are fans of just specific players or teams. Their understanding is skewed towards their little piece of the league. When the all-time argument comes up, when comparisons come up, it's all biased towards their guy. Which you can see here. I idolized MJ growing up, like any kid in at the time. But earlier in this thread, Ixm arguing that he was never the distributor that LeBron has been his whole career. I can be even-handed with my favorite player. Now go back and read EVERY response of yours to any Kobe criticism. It's a lot of "Well, you can't" and "If X would have been different" and my favorite "hahaha, no that's so wrong."
Once again, I can make comparisons. I can show you box scores. i can show you averages. I can cite advanced stats or league ranking. And I'll never be close to making a better argument against your bias than your own posts will.
*looooooooooong sigh*lol @ comparing 05-06 shaq to 3peat era shaq. shaq was no longer dominant in 05-06 BUT the heat still don't win a title without him. so of course wade won FMVP over him. if wade was on the 3peat lakers with shaq, you think he would've won FMVP over him? shaq won FMVP with the lakers because he was the most dominant player in the league at the time. in 05-06, he was no longer the most dominant. what a terrible argument. you need to find better material than this if you want to try and prove wade is on the same level as kobe (he's not)
That's the point. The point was that Shaq was worse in 06. That he played with Kobe in the early 2000s and was the most dominant force in the NBA, and years later he was a defensive liability in the Finals who averaged 14 points/game. That's the point. You got it. Kobe won titles with a dominant monster at center and Wade dominated the postseason with a far lesser Shaq. Not sure how that boosts your argument, but I'm glad you agree with me and can
AI carried that team to the finals in 01 by scoring like crazy AND because they were one of the best defensive teams in the league. why do you keep downplaying that their team defense played a big role in that run?
I've never downplayed their defense. I asked what their defense had to do with AI passing to lesser offensive options on the other end of the court. And you still haven't answered me.
the 04 pistons literally won a title with their defense. what did AI do after 01? Wade doesn't win a finals without shaq and didn't do shit in the playoffs until lebron came. lol @ trying to make it seem like shaq was trash in 05-06. guy still averaged 18 and 10 in the playoffs. so yes, the heat definitely had a secondary scorer. again, try looking at the actual numbers before you make some bullshit claim
What do the Pistons being great at defense have to do with Kobe passing to lesser offensive options??? That's all this is. I make a comp of another elite scorer being a better and more willing passer on another largely offensively-inept squad and you bring up how well the 2004 Pistons played defense. That's a Trump-ism; to make completely disjointed points and large claims to distract from the fact that you don't have any real answers. Just make the subject so wide that you can't be nailed down to being proven wrong. But your inability to accept being wrong doesn't make you any less wrong.
I was the first one to bring up Shaq's numbers in the playoffs. It was like 2 pages ago. And you drop it like it's this discussion-changing point. In the words of every TikTok compilation: Damn boi, he thick.