lol @ saying kobe was never dominant. go back and watch games in his prime and tell me he wasn't dominant. you're just lying to yourself at this point
Never said anything about Kobe being dominant or not. I mentioned Shaq. Shaq at his peak was the most dominant player in the NBA since MJ retired.
you brought up AI in an attempt to say that a star player had success playing with lesser players while being a facilitator. he averaged the same amount of assists as kobe in 00-01 in both the reg. season and playoffs. so again, that argument fails. the 01 sixers reached the finals because AI was scoring like crazy and because they were a good defensive team. not because of AI's passing
You're such a f***in troll. Everything I say is made out to be something entirely different where as everything you say is an absolute that is backed up with NOTHING and then ignored.
You: It was easier for centers to score at the time.
Me: Here's the numbers from just one season that points to the opposite.
You: *crickets*
Me: I feel like when Kobe became the man in LA, he still lacked as a a facilitator.
You: What? Why would anyone ever pass to below average offensive players? Lol forever @ that idea.
Me: Here's three examples of elite scorers being better facilitators to bad offensive supporting casts, including AI in 2001.
You: Poor offensive casts? Look at these Kobe assist numbers on the
2001 Lakers. Also, Philly was good at defense that year.
Your idea of a POOR OFFENSIVE CAST IS A TEAM THAT FINISHED 3RD IN SCORING OFFENSE AND WON THE TITLE WITH OFFENSE.
I'm ded. That says so much about either your comprehension level or your Kobe stan level, and honestly I'm content with either because you're making yourself look way worse than I ever could.
Oh, and what does Philly's defense have to do with Iverson dishing the ball on offense. Remember, why pass to Chris Mihm? It's unthinkable. Well, AI passed to George Lynch so maybe it's not a hysterical idea.
Me: Look at Wade's numbers in 06.
You: He wouldn't have won shit without Shaq! (Shaq averaged 14/10 in the Finals)
You also: Shaq wouldn't have won shit without Kobe! (Shaq averaged 31/15 in the Finals)
I would LOVE for you to explain all of these. But backing up literally any of them would do.
there have been numerous examples posted here of times kobe stepped up and led the lakers to a win during the 3peat years when shaq was struggling or out of games. or in some cases, just flat out better than shaq in a specific series. that's what you're ignoring, but i totally get it. you can't acknowledge that when you have to try and prove kobe wasn't important to those teams just because of how good shaq was
I asked you what you posted that I missed and again, you just can't be bothered with posting anything other than "lol" or "Kobe is so great and you just don't want to admit it." Coming from a guy with a f***ING KOBE AVATAR! How did I not notice that earlier?
you really think wade could've won the 06 finals by himself and without shaq? he may not have been as dominant as he was in LA but if you really think wade would've won in 06 without shaq then you're the one who's trolling here
yes, you brought up AI and wade in the mid 2000s as examples of elite scorers who also had higher assist totals. and i brought up how neither of their teams went anywhere in the playoffs. another point you continue to ignore while reiterating the same BS over and over. clearly, those two becoming facilitators didn't help. maybe they should've put all their focus on scoring
try reading my post next time. i said that duncan played with the same core for nearly his entire career. they were there for all his titles except one. and they got even better when kawhi became a star. yes, all of kobe's success came under phil but he continued to put up high scoring numbers the couple seasons after phil left and before his achilles injury while playing for the likes of mike brown and d'antoni. he also didn't play with the same core group of teammates during his career like duncan did. he played with shaq 8 years, then played with a bunch of g-league talent for 4-5 years before gasol came
Watch the Finals. Wade carried that team. Everyone knows this. O'Neal never lost a Finals MVP playing with Kobe, but lost the Finals MVP in a landslide to Wade. Explain to me how you see both of those things and think I'm underrating Kobe on one hand and completely overrating Wade on the other hand. Wade outplayed him in the playoffs, period. Wade outplayed him by a TON in the Finals, period. Shaq outplayed Kobe every playoffs they played together. Shaq won the Finals MVP every playoffs they played together. What am I missing here? Tell me where Kobe outscored Shaq by MORE THAN TWENTY POINTS A GAME in a series.
AI won many playoff series with no big 2nd scorer. Wade won a Finals with Shaq being a pretty average center in the Finals and a liability on the defensive end. Those would be series wins. What Kobe did in 05-07, that would be "going nowhere."
Oh thank GOD Duncan had Manu in 2003 to start 5 games in the regular season and finish the year averaging 7 points and in the playoffs averaged
9 points a game. That stability of having a rookie who he never played with before really boosted his confidence to be 1st team All NBA, 1st team All NBA defense, league MVP, Finals MVP, lead the league in Win Shares. etc. Gosh, without a rookie reserve guard who averaged 7 points, Duncan probably....I'll finish this for you...WOULDN'T HAVE WON ANYTHING! What a joke you are.....