News Article: Leafs, Flames come together to help out CWHL players.

[JayfromNB1219]

You have said more then enough and if you need an explanation of your own words...you are sexist it seems claiming players can only learn one thing from a female player.

baha nothing sexist about that at all...I said the only thing I can see them learning (reading comprehension is your friend) and it has everything to do with a lack of knowledge about the NHL game...stop trying to make this a sexist thing, I asked what they can learn from her
stop white knighting, if you can't answer the question then i'd say I have a reasonably valid point...sexism would be to say she isn't good enough to compete with men (she has done it in Finland's D2 if I am not mistaken)...grow up, I have family members that are absolutely phenomenal female hockey players, doesn't change the fact we play in 2 completely separate environments.

 

[JayfromNB1219]

Do you also have a problem with teams hiring men in player development roles who haven't played in the NHL?

not as long as they bring a discernible skill to it...same as Wickenheiser, if there is something she can teach better than anyone else I am all for it, I just don't know what that thing is...that is what I am trying to say...

 

[JayfromNB1219]

I guess people have a short memory but at the all star game the passing skills competition was won by a women. Best time. But according to some on here a hall of fame player can not teach a young player nothing. A captain of several Olympic gold medal teams and gold medal world championship teams.

Leadership
Team work
Work ethic
Dedication
Eating right
Working out right.

I guess she can not teach them much.

Perfectly fine with all of those things, and I have no doubt she has a wealth of experience in terms of big stages...I agree about the dedication aspect of it, she played men's league in Finland and she was very well known during her playing career for being in phenomenal shape.

THIS was all that I was after, a simple list of what she brings to it...good lord people take a deep breath, just because there is a critique does not mean I think she's trash

 

[JayfromNB1219]

Barb Underhill knows nothing about skating either never play a second of hockey for crying out loud.... am i doing this right?

No you aren't you're purposefully ignoring what I am saying so you can white knight and claim I am a sexist...Barb Underhill is one of the premier skating coaches in NA if not the world, she has earned her stripes through time and knowledge, I would never dream of speaking ill of her (and her results over the years speak for themselves)

 

[Cor]

A lot white knights in here. Horrible waste of money by organizations trying to gain progressive fans.

As for women at the all-star game.... Nobody cares... It is a sideshow... A circus...

People wanna watch the best of the best. The market has spoken. Deal with it.

The women there won the passing accuracy and nearly won the fastest skater

I’d say they are part of the best.


What an awful post. You need to be ashamed. Do some soul searching.

Women are a “sideshow” and a “circus”

jfc dude

 

[Cor]

No you aren't you're purposefully ignoring what I am saying so you can white knight and claim I am a sexist...Barb Underhill is one of the premier skating coaches in NA if not the world, she has earned her stripes through time and knowledge, I would never dream of speaking ill of her (and her results over the years speak for themselves)

You said she was a waste of money and that you couldn’t see what she could possibly bring.

She’s played at a higher level than pretty much everyone on our player development staff. She’s arguably the best women’s player to ever play.

 

[JayfromNB1219]

You said she was a waste of money and that you couldn’t see what she could possibly bring.

She’s played at a higher level than pretty much everyone on our player development staff. She’s arguably the best women’s player to ever play.

I agree with you 100%...Maybe Cassie Campbell and Geraldine Heaney are on the same level...but again I am asking what she brings to an NHL club...you do have to admit these are 2 completely different beasts to tackle (NHL vs High level women's hockey/Finnish men's D2) again, this isn't a shot at her accomplishments...I fully realize she is and will always be one of the best women to wear the Maple Leaf when it comes to hockey...I am asking what she brings above and beyond experience (you can find a ton of ex-NHL'ers who played in international tourney's and had success doing it to fill this role)

I am purely trying to figure out what she brings to it that nobody else could have brought.
just as an example
Barb Underhill- has earned her status as one of the best skating coaches in the world, she has put her time in (heck she dissected mike Gartner's stride to an obscene degree) she came up teaching through the years until the leafs noticed, she's worked with pro's all the way down to Minor hockey players before the NHL came calling. She has earned her spot and the kudos she has received.

is it realy sexist to be concerned with your fav team being a meritocracy? and no just playing the game doesn't give the merit lots of people have been extremely successful playing the game. I just want to know what she brings above and beyond her past credentials

 

[JayfromNB1219]

This really shouldn't have blown up the way it has...
people on here want to talk sht about players until they are blue in the face, but question a female hire and good lawd he's a sexist

PEOPLE- I am not saying she shouldn't be there, I am saying I don't understand the hire because I don't know what she brings that any other accomplished hockey player (past credentials) brings to it...
Underhill- Skating Master
Pridham- Cap specialist
Cliff Fletcher- Senior Advisor (what hasn't this guy seen he has been around literally forever)
Wickenheiser-???
if anyone can answer that I am 100% open to having my mind changed...if all you can do is call me sexist because I disagree with something then go pound sand and maybe grow up a little bit

 

[yubbers]

It's quite simple. NOBODY would have a problem with this if the women weren't running around saying they deserved equal pay..blah blah blah. Muh patriarchy. Then take money from the men they say they deserve just as much as cause they can't sustain their own team. This is a business. You get paid according to what you bring in. Womens hockey will NEVER have the eyes mens hockey does. EVER.
Stating this fact is not sexist. It's reality.

Remember that thing? Reality? God I miss it.

 

[BoredBrandonPridham]

This really shouldn't have blown up the way it has...
people on here want to talk sht about players until they are blue in the face, but question a female hire and good lawd he's a sexist

PEOPLE- I am not saying she shouldn't be there, I am saying I don't understand the hire because I don't know what she brings that any other accomplished hockey player (past credentials) brings to it...
Underhill- Skating Master
Pridham- Cap specialist
Cliff Fletcher- Senior Advisor (what hasn't this guy seen he has been around literally forever)
Wickenheiser-???
if anyone can answer that I am 100% open to having my mind changed...if all you can do is call me sexist because I disagree with something then go pound sand and maybe grow up a little bit

Well you came into a thread about a women’s hockey league and found it appropriate to call out a female NHL hire that you yourself claim to not understand.

If someone was an elite hockey player at every stage she’s played hockey, why not give her the same benefit of the doubt as, say, Stephane Robidas who started a player development role at the same time and had done nothing but play hockey prior (far worse than his peers, mind you).

 

[JayfromNB1219]

Well you came into a thread about a women’s hockey league and found it appropriate to call out a female NHL hire that you yourself claim to not understand.

If someone was an elite hockey player at every stage she’s played hockey, why not give her the same benefit of the doubt as, say, Stephane Robidas who started a player development role at the same time and had done nothing but play hockey prior (far worse than his peers, mind you).

Don't even get me started on the proud owner of Robidas Island lol
and what I was saying is I don't get why the Leafs and Flames would bail out a failing league it makes no sense to me (this is where the comparison comes in) similar to their hire of Wickenheiser or Robidas if you want to use him we can no problem at all.

I said good on them but it makes no sense to me...this has literally taken on a life of its own lol

 

[JayfromNB1219]

Well you came into a thread about a women’s hockey league and found it appropriate to call out a female NHL hire that you yourself claim to not understand.

If someone was an elite hockey player at every stage she’s played hockey, why not give her the same benefit of the doubt as, say, Stephane Robidas who started a player development role at the same time and had done nothing but play hockey prior (far worse than his peers, mind you).

I am sure you have never questioned anything you didn't understand after all right?

 

[BoredBrandonPridham]

Don't even get me started on the proud owner of Robidas Island lol
and what I was saying is I don't get why the Leafs and Flames would bail out a failing league it makes no sense to me (this is where the comparison comes in) similar to their hire of Wickenheiser or Robidas if you want to use him we can no problem at all.

I said good on them but it makes no sense to me...this has literally taken on a life of its own lol

Oh yea we can use Robidas interchangibly with your point? So you think some minor middle management player development hire is a waste of money when that person hasn’t somehow been lauded for some super duper skill? What if Robidas is just really good at working with people and has a lot of context about ice hockey. Why would having them as part of your army of staff a waste of money?

 

[BoredBrandonPridham]

I am sure you have never questioned anything you didn't understand after all right?

I don’t look at things I don’t understand and call them a waste of money. But let’s not pretend the person you picked was just some random example.

 

[Dough72]

This really shouldn't have blown up the way it has...
people on here want to talk sht about players until they are blue in the face, but question a female hire and good lawd he's a sexist

PEOPLE- I am not saying she shouldn't be there, I am saying I don't understand the hire because I don't know what she brings that any other accomplished hockey player (past credentials) brings to it...
Underhill- Skating Master
Pridham- Cap specialist
Cliff Fletcher- Senior Advisor (what hasn't this guy seen he has been around literally forever)
Wickenheiser-???

It's logical to think she was hired for more than just her resume (which actually makes Dubas the evil sexist). It's not a fact but it's a logical enough opinion you don't deserve to be attacked for it. I only skimmed the thread and maybe you said some stuff I didn't notice but if you're only getting attacked because you think she's unqualified then you're not the one in the wrong and it's likely just people attacking because they think they're supposed to. In that situation it's best not to get defensive but just ignore it.

 

[JayfromNB1219]

I don’t look at things I don’t understand and call them a waste of money. But let’s not pretend the person you picked was just some random example.

I said bailing out the league was a waste of money and DOING IT MAKES NO SENSE (FULL STOP) now going back to doing it makes no sense HIRING WICKENHEISER never said she was a complete waste of money I said it makes no sense to me (again reading comprehension) I'm not here to fight, and I have no issues with women in the mens leagues as long as they deserve to be there and aren't a "sideshow" I don't know what Wickenheiser brings from a player development standpoint...how many time are you guys going to misread (intentionally or not) what I am saying good lord

 

[JayfromNB1219]

It's logical to think she was hired for more than just her resume (which actually makes Dubas the evil sexist). It's not a fact but it's a logical enough opinion you don't deserve to be attacked for it. I only skimmed the thread and maybe you said some stuff I didn't notice but if you're only getting attacked because you think she's unqualified then you're not the one in the wrong and it's likely just people attacking because they think they're supposed to. In that situation it's best not to get defensive but just ignore it.

I appreciate the comment...this is exhausting truthfully...especially when you see some of the trash ppl post on here about other parts of this team...I just don't see what she brings aside from her gender that other potentially more qualified people could have brought...I don't fight the fact she's one of the best women to ever play the game (duh!) but her eperience in a womens league and Finnish D2 doesn't translate well to preparing men to play in the NHL (just my opinion) if there is something else I am more than happy to hear it...

maybe my phrasing could have been better?

 

[BoredBrandonPridham]

I said bailing out the league was a waste of money and DOING IT MAKES NO SENSE (FULL STOP) now going back to doing it makes no sense HIRING WICKENHEISER never said she was a complete waste of money I said it makes no sense to me (again reading comprehension) I'm not here to fight, and I have no issues with women in the mens leagues as long as they deserve to be there and aren't a "sideshow" I don't know what Wickenheiser brings from a player development standpoint...how many time are you guys going to misread (intentionally or not) what I am saying good lord

You literally said they were wasting money on the Wickenheiser hire in your original post.

So what does Wickenheiser have to do (in addition to being the best female hockey player in the world for her career and tied for most decorated Canadian female Olympian) to exclude herself from someone coming into a thread about the CWHL and calling her out as a side show pointless hire, over say, someone like Robidas or the many other similar examples of hires like that in middle management positions?

 

[JayfromNB1219]

You literally said they were wasting money on the Wickenheiser hire in your original post.

So what does Wickenheiser have to do (in addition to being the best female hockey player in the world for her career and tied for most decorated Canadian female Olympian) to exclude herself from someone coming into a thread about the CWHL and calling her out as a side show pointless hire, over say, someone like Robidas or the many other similar examples of hires like that in middle management positions?

no read this closely...
I said that bailing out the league was a waste of money (standalone opinion) and (here's they key) IT MAKES NO SENSE similar to hiring Wickenheiser...stop trying to tell me what I meant when i'm the one who posted it lol...

 

[Crease Master]

Ah yes... Nobody is allowed to legitimately critique the protected classes... "Rough Start".

Hey watch it pal, its 2019 so you might end up in the joke and semen mines of mars if your female overlords catch wind of you not accepting their preferred status in Canada. You are sexist if you don't think women have superpowers.

 

[Cor]

I agree with you 100%...Maybe Cassie Campbell and Geraldine Heaney are on the same level...but again I am asking what she brings to an NHL club...you do have to admit these are 2 completely different beasts to tackle (NHL vs High level women's hockey/Finnish men's D2) again, this isn't a shot at her accomplishments...I fully realize she is and will always be one of the best women to wear the Maple Leaf when it comes to hockey...I am asking what she brings above and beyond experience (you can find a ton of ex-NHL'ers who played in international tourney's and had success doing it to fill this role)

I am purely trying to figure out what she brings to it that nobody else could have brought.
just as an example
Barb Underhill- has earned her status as one of the best skating coaches in the world, she has put her time in (heck she dissected mike Gartner's stride to an obscene degree) she came up teaching through the years until the leafs noticed, she's worked with pro's all the way down to Minor hockey players before the NHL came calling. She has earned her spot and the kudos she has received.

is it realy sexist to be concerned with your fav team being a meritocracy? and no just playing the game doesn't give the merit lots of people have been extremely successful playing the game. I just want to know what she brings above and beyond her past credentials

Do you think they hired her on a whim? She spent 1 or 2 development camps working with our prospects before she was hired into this role.

The idea of questioning a female being in a role, but not any of the men in the roles, is the issue here. Why aren't you questioning Daryl Belfry, who never played at any professional level? Why aren't you questioning Scott Pellerin and Stephane Robidas? Wickenheiser had a better playing career, and technically had more experience before she was hired than Robidas was (and considering she is currently in medical school, brings more from that perspective as well)

Also, you did call her a waste of money.

"kinda similar to Wickenheiser to player development...good to see on the paper but short of work ethic (which these guys should already have) I can't see the point of wasting money on it"

 

[BoredBrandonPridham]

The back pedalling is strong here.

 

[JayfromNB1219]

Do you think they hired her on a whim? She spent 1 or 2 development camps working with our prospects before she was hired into this role.

The idea of questioning a female being in a role, but not any of the men in the roles, is the issue here. Why aren't you questioning Daryl Belfry, who never played at any professional level? Why aren't you questioning Scott Pellerin and Stephane Robidas? Wickenheiser had a better playing career, and technically had more experience before she was hired than Robidas was (and considering she is currently in medical school, brings more from that perspective as well)

Also, you did call her a waste of money.

"kinda similar to Wickenheiser to player development...good to see on the paper but short of work ethic (which these guys should already have) I can't see the point of wasting money on it"

Fair enough, wasn't meant like that...my phrasing could have been better in terms of making my point clearer. I will give that to you that it was badly worded and conveys something that I wasn't trying to say

on a side note...women's olympic hockey and D2 finnish hockey experience doesn't necessarily translate to a long productive NHL career...if she succeeds in her position I will be quite happy and eat my words with a smile on my face...I just don't see the track record of player development with her is all...it really wasn't meant as sexist as much as it may look it.

 

[JayfromNB1219]

The back pedalling is strong here.

Not at all lol...I stand by my comment saying there is a lack of a track record in player development with her, if I am wrong I will eat my words with a smile on my face

 

[GrunbeldDragonKnight]

The women there won the passing accuracy and nearly won the fastest skater

I’d say they are part of the best.


What an awful post. You need to be ashamed. Do some soul searching.

Women are a “sideshow” and a “circus”

jfc dude

The NHL skills competition is an irrelevant side show. You think the players there are trying their hardest? Do you think they even wanna be there?
So because a female can string a few passes together or skate the length of the ice pretty quickly that they are on the same playing level of men? Are you kidding me? You honestly can't see the difference between someone performing cheap parlour tricks in a relaxed setting in comparison to the fast and ruthless NHL game? I don't want to see women at the all Star game, I don't want to see pink jerseys, and I don't care about social justice issues. I wanna see tough old timed hockey because contrary to popular belief not everything has to be for everybody.