News Article: Leafs, Flames come together to help out CWHL players.

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  1. The Apologist

    The Apologist Apologizing for Leaf scapegoats since 1979

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    excellent reads, thank you! Theres still some info to be fleshed out but at least its a rebuttal.

    And Im not trying to single you out but sometimes people hide behind attacks and labels to avoid addressibg valid issues.
     
  2. The Apologist

    The Apologist Apologizing for Leaf scapegoats since 1979

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    Discard, not discredit. Your argument for not accepting the Walsh artucle being a prime one.
     
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    robertmac43 Forever 43!

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    I dunno I thought i handled that one pretty well personally.
     
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    robertmac43 Forever 43!

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    There is plenty more discourse out there.

    Just got to remember to look for the American equality gap and not get that deluded with the FIFA wage gap; two very different things!
     
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    Great on these two organizations for doing a good deed. It’s their money, they have a lot of it, they can use it anyway they want.
    Having said that, it was absolutely a PR move. There’s no way an organization in the entertainment business takes a bath like that for no reason.
    The argument that the women’s game deserves traction, is so tired. Every time a product/program goes to the public, it’s sink or swim. That’s the way it is. It works the other way around too. The kardashians has a huge audience for crying out loud. Society can’t dictate what people want to watch. People do. Advertisers will support what eyeballs are watching, whether it’s HNIC , Big Bang , or .... the kardashians.
    Money talks, and it’s a business. Most hockey viewers are men. Most men have no interest in watching women play hockey on a basis that would make the game viable.
    It’s not sexist. It’s the way it is. Calling men sexist for not wanting to watch women’s hockey is the same as calling someone racist because they don’t enjoy hip hop. They’re not against it existing, they just don’t watch/ listen to it.
     
  6. The Apologist

    The Apologist Apologizing for Leaf scapegoats since 1979

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    I think the gap gets overblown everywhere and feel that any genuine discourse often gets buried under the 'sexism' rhetoric. I appreciate the actual civil tone to this discussion. I agree that in general we still have a ways to go and in the case of soccer we may actually be getting closer than most others.
    Agree to disagree I suppose.
     
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    Let's ask the question, does the reputation of an organization matter?

    Remember the Ford Pinto? Ford decided the cost of simple, preventable measures weren't worth the cost associated with their customers being burned to death.
    When the EPA stated automobile manufacturers would have to meet emission standards, they balked. When Honda showed how they could do it, G.M. stated,
    "Well, I have looked at this design, and while it might work on some little toy motorcycle engine…I see no potential for it on one of our GM car engines."
    When this gets back to Soichiro Honda, he buys an Impala, ships it to Japan and has his engineers make it better than GM could do themselves, so much so the
    car passed without even having a catalytic converter installed. For small car buyers, the reputation of Ford cannot touch Honda. One is a leader, the other is talking
    about stopping all car production completely.

    The money the Leafs put towards this is pocket change to them. Does it improve the reputation of the organization? Does hiring a Sports Illustrated top 25 toughest
    athlete who happens to be a woman hurt the organization? The Leafs can draw people into their organization based on their current reputation and being a class act.
    Try doing that in the `80's, it didn't happen. People are people, whether they're sports professionals, millionaires, etc. I've been part of organizations with great and
    horrible attitudes. If I were in a foxhole, I'd rather fight beside Heyley Wickenheiser then Phil Kessel. You might win a battle, but you'll lose the war if you end up
    pulling a pin and blowing both of you up.

    The Leafs are a class act.
     
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    this thread started off brutally (being one of the first posters I have been here for the entire thing) but it really has become a discussion, I love it...the name calling for the most part has died off and we are discussing issues, appreciate the civility that has found it's way to the discussion! :popcorn:
     
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    Not what anyone has said lol
     
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    diceman934 Help is on the way.

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    No one was called sexist for not wanting to watch women’s hockey. It was the sexist comments that got the poster the comments he did.
     
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    Nailed it! I have no problem with people not wanting to watch Women's sports, do what you will with your own free time. Just don't make things out to be the 1920s cause we have progressed since then !
     
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    Yes, I’ll admit, the tone of some posters is a bit alarming. I think my argument is clearly stated. At no point do I make the argument that women should stay clear of competitive sports, or even that women shouldnt engage in sport as a profession. I believe it’s every woman’s right to Pursue sport if she wants to. I’m just against the notion that women’s sport should be force fed to the general sports audience without any regard for its viability on the landscape simply because the viewing public should be inclusive to them. If you don’t like it, you don’t have to watch it. Most people don’t watch it, so there’s no money in it.
     

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