Leafs Chances of Making Playoffs (Reddit User)

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So yeah, we're 28th in the league in PP opportunities, and dead last since Keefe took over as ccoach. In fact: we've had 12 PP's in 8 games since Keefe took over, 2nd last is Washington with 17.

And before I see that completely moronic logic "we don't play gritty enough to draw penalties" the NYI (the grittiest team in the league) is dead last in PP opportunities.

I'm willing to bet good money that we're going to end up 31st again.

Perhaps it's time to look at the abuse of refs like they are looking at the abuse of coaches...in many ways, the NHL is still run by some old school folks. And why is there now a bunch of fines happening recently instead of suspensions? Oh right, because it doesn't involve a Leaf player...:sarcasm:
 

roosterman

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Out of curiosity, I ran some Babcock versus Keefe numbers, now that we're 8 games in. This should provide some perspective on where they're at, and the work they need to do in order to make the playoffs. I think the numbers show that they are playing better than .625 winning % they've had under Keefe so far, due to quality of competition. Boston has played at a .741 clip so far this year. I believe the Leafs can sustain a .700-ish winning % the remainder of the year, going the equivalent of 35-16, to finish with 102 points.

Essentially, Babcock was running the 5th worst team in the NHL for the first 23 games. Keefe is running a top 10 club. Combined, they still have a ton of work to do in order to squeak into the playoffs. Penalty kill has gone from essentially worst to first overall. Power play has gone from mediocre to first overall. Overall play has gone from bottom 1/3rd of the league to top 10. However, they were on pace for 78 points. Odds of making the playoffs have climbed from 24% to 34% on Moneypuck, and from 59% to 69% on Dom Luszczyszyn's Athletic model.

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Babcock - 9-10-4 .478 winning % / 78 point season pace (25th overall)
Keefe - 5-3-0 .625 winning % / 103 point season pace (12th overall)
- Correction - Keefe - 5-2-1 .6875 winning % / 113 point season pace
Combined 14-13-4 .516 winning % / 85 point season pace (23rd overall)


I corrected this for you. If they maintain this winning percentage (unlikely) then the Leafs are on pace for a 103 point season...
 

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To show how close we are, if the right results happen just tonight alone, the pts% standings could look like this tommorrow:

3.TBL .534 (88pt pace) (lose vs FLA)
4.TOR .531 (87pt pace) (win vs VAN)
5.BUF .531 (87pt pace) (lose vs STL)
6.MTL .516 (85pt pace) (lose vs PIT)


Now all that likely won't happen tonight, but it easily could. And that pace wouldn't be near enough to be content with. But that would put us in a virtual tie for a playoffs spot on the 10th of December.
 

81Leafs50

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Leafs have 51 games remaining. 30-15-6 gets them 66pts. thats a WIN % of 58.8%. That would get the Leafs 98pts.

Leafs are still in it. Leafs Division is real weak.
 

willmma

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I know we def dont want a 3 point game.
But would we rather Florida win tonight or Tampa?

What is better for us?

I can't make up my mind.
Dam it! I wan them both to lose :mad:
 

kevsh

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With the Metro all of the sudden becoming the Division of Doom, the Leafs have to focus on getting into the top 3 in the Atlantic as it will require (potentially significantly) less points than a WC spot.

Obvious point here, but it's likely to come down to how well they do against Florida, Tampa, Buffalo and Montreal for the rest of the season.
 

Trapper

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With the Metro all of the sudden becoming the Division of Doom, the Leafs have to focus on getting into the top 3 in the Atlantic as it will require (potentially significantly) less points than a WC spot.

Obvious point here, but it's likely to come down to how well they do against Florida, Tampa, Buffalo and Montreal for the rest of the season.
It looks like 2 spots for 5 teams because of the Metro play.
Boston
and then Toronto/Florida/Buffalo/Tampa/Montreal for the 2.
 

Gary Nylund

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I dont know. TSN and Sportsnet after making all the Leafs free agents Millionaires are painting a real doom and gloom picture of the Leafs season.

I don't pay much attention to those sources as they're mission is to entertain, not provide worthwhile analysis. To be fair though, our season was pretty gloomy for a long while (and we're far from being out of the woods).
 

HoweHullOrr

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With the Metro all of the sudden becoming the Division of Doom, the Leafs have to focus on getting into the top 3 in the Atlantic as it will require (potentially significantly) less points than a WC spot.

Obvious point here, but it's likely to come down to how well they do against Florida, Tampa, Buffalo and Montreal for the rest of the season.

Agreed.
 

HoweHullOrr

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It looks like 2 spots for 5 teams because of the Metro play.
Boston
and then Toronto/Florida/Buffalo/Tampa/Montreal for the 2.

Yep, way back at the beginning of the season I made a post (around the league thread) about how I thought it could be a tight battle between us and Florida, Montreal & Buffalo. Its shaping up that way at least at this point. I thought Tampa would have doing better in the standings.
 

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Leafs have 51 games remaining. 30-15-6 gets them 66pts. thats a WIN % of 58.8%. That would get the Leafs 98pts.

Leafs are still in it. Leafs Division is real weak.

FYI

66 points earned by your record out of a possible 102 available remaining = 64.7% or .647 points% rate.

There are currently only 6 teams that are playing at or above that rate on the season to date.
 
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HamiltonNHL

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I know we def dont want a 3 point game.
But would we rather Florida win tonight or Tampa?

What is better for us?

I can't make up my mind.
Dam it! I wan them both to lose :mad:

Tampa win. We want to finish 3rd behind them.
 

Dekes For Days

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I'll bet you $100 the Leafs don't get a wild card playoff entry.
They probably won't. They'll probably get one of the top 3 spots in their division. That doesn't mean the Metro is going to have the Wild Card spots, or that those teams will be better than 3rd place in the Atlantic. It's freaking December.
 

81Leafs50

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FYI

66 points earned by your record out of a possible 102 available remaining = 64.7% or .647 points% rate.

There are currently only 6 teams that are playing at or above that rate on the season to date.

30 win out of 51 is 58.8%. Losing in OT and SO still gets you points.
 

kevsh

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Lol @ people thinking the wild card spots are locked down in early December. :laugh:

I don't think anyone is saying they're locked down, just that the Metro is looking a lot stronger this year. My post I specifically said the Leafs may have an easier time getting into their top 3 than earning a WC spot over a Metro team.

Of course nothing is certain now, but we're over a third of the way into the season and the lowest WC team is Carolina with 37 points in 30 games, and they are only in 5th in the Metro. Good luck catching any of them.
 

The Masters

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Leafs need a 5 game winning streak.

The NHL is so competitive, it's different than other leagues. You can't really coast at any time during the year, especially if you have a bad start like the leafs did.

Although if you have a really strong start like the Leafs did last season, you could I guess coast in 2nd half of year and play .500 hockey and still get in ...
 
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