Proposal: Leafs/Canucks

[GoodbyeLuongo]

Sutter doesn’t do much but we have no other centers rn. Still wanna see what Jake can do in a full year too, although it might be grasping at straws. Leivo is nothing more than waiver fodder, and in a year or two Grundstrom and Brown are really whatever to us. We have plenty of them in our farm system

 

[The Assclown]

Grundstrom about to be the new Kapanen yeah? Puts up good AHL numbers does nothing in the NHL but it’s because of all the Leafs depth. Not every Leaf prospect has to be a great prospect ya know.

He just came over from Europe and played exceptionally well while leading the Marlies to the Calder Cup. He’s a good prospect and you don’t trade good prospects for the Sutters and Virtanens of the NHL.

 

[Baksfamous112]

He just came over from Europe and played exceptionally well while leading the Marlies to the Calder Cup. He’s a good prospect and you don’t trade good prospects for the Sutters and Virtanens of the NHL.

Virtanens still young and has the potential to turn it around on a fresh start.

 

[Baksfamous112]

Want to know the difference between them? Leafs have arguably the top offense in the league and the Habs are bottom 5. Not his fault he is behind Nylander and Marner for top 6 minutes.

Exactly. Kapanen played on a much better team with better teammates. Hudon played 4th line minutes too and put up about 7x more pointa than Kapanen on roughly the same role. However, one is a mere NHL player and the other one is a top 6. Righttt

 

[The Assclown]

Exactly. Kapanen played on a much better team with better teammates. Hudon played 4th line minutes too and put up about 7x more pointa than Kapanen on roughly the same role. However, one is a mere NHL player and the other one is a top 6. Righttt

Kapanen was with the Marlies for most of the year and played with plugs on the fourth line. It’s hard to drive a line playing with plugs. He’s a damn good bottom six player right now with top six potential.

 

[Kamiccolo]

Exactly. Kapanen played on a much better team with better teammates. Hudon played 4th line minutes too and put up about 7x more pointa than Kapanen on roughly the same role. However, one is a mere NHL player and the other one is a top 6. Righttt

So you missed the part where his most common linemates were Komarov and Moore? What exactly does better team and linemates have to do with it when he gets no time with them? He played 4th line and the PK man. It would be different if he was getting time with Kadri and PP2 minutes or something.

 

[Baksfamous112]

So you missed the part where his most common linemates were Komarov and Moore? What exactly does better team and linemates have to do with it when he gets no time with them? He played 4th line and the PK man. It would be different if he was getting time with Kadri and PP2 minutes or something.

Well Hudon’s were Plekanec/DLR/Deslauriers/Froese and he still was able to score 30 points

So, what’s your point?

 

[Canadian Canuck]

Sorry if you don't follow the NHL/AHL. Virtanen is 22 years old and has proven to be a bare AHLer. Good luck him to being an NHler. Grundstrom has played in the SHL /AHL and is full two years younger at than Virtanen. The Marlies are on TV and I have attended Marlie games. So, it isn't Leafs bias that I (and many AHL/Leaf) followers that think Grundstrom has would it takes to be good NHL player. Do you ever get to see any AHL games?
Virtanen would be 5th liner with the Leafs at best behind Nylander, Marner, Brown and Kapanen.....sorry just fact. If he's good enough to play for the Canucks maybe it shows the state the Canucks are in right now. I thought it was a troll post, but apparently not to the misinformed.

The fact you called Virtanen a bare NHLer is just mind blowing. Awful.

 

[Kamiccolo]

Well Hudon’s were Plekanec/DLR/Deslauriers/Froese and he still was able to score 30 points

So, what’s your point?

Well for one he is two years older. For two, Pleks is a better player than Moore, I mean the Leafs literally moved a 2nd + to upgrade from Moore to Plekanic. For three, Hudon had literally 100 minutes more than Kap on the PP last season. HUdon also played on average 3 minutes more a game than Kap.

There is no comparable here... Just stop.

 

[GoodbyeLuongo]

He just came over from Europe and played exceptionally well while leading the Marlies to the Calder Cup. He’s a good prospect and you don’t trade good prospects for the Sutters and Virtanens of the NHL.

So what’s the difference between a Virtanen and a Kapanen? About the same age, and Virtanen has a higher PPG.

 

[GoodbyeLuongo]

Just cracks me up that Kasperi Kapanen has high top six potential but Jake Virtanen who has produced more than Kapanen is some waiver wire, 5th line RW bust

 

[The Assclown]

So what’s the difference between a Virtanen and a Kapanen? About the same age, and Virtanen has a higher PPG.

Kapanen is much more versatile, even if he’s not scoring. Virtanen plays the body well, but that’s about it.

Edit: I was talking about Grundstrom in that post. FYI.

 

[GoodbyeLuongo]

Kapanen is much more versatile, even if he’s not scoring. Virtanen plays the body well, but that’s about it.

He’s actually a very good skater and again has produced more than Kapanen. So tell me. Why is one a massive bust and the other one a potential top 6 guy

 

[TOGuy14]

TO LEAFS
B. SUTTER
VIRTANEN

TO CANUCKS
BROWN
GRUNDSTROM
LEVIVO

No thanks from the Leafs.

We don't need Sutter to be an expensive 4th line center and Virtanen doesn't do anything for us really.

 

[The Assclown]

He’s actually a very good skater and again has produced more than Kapanen. So tell me. Why is one a massive bust and the other one a potential top 6 guy

Where was Virtanen drafted?

 

[GoodbyeLuongo]

Where was Virtanen drafted?

Draft position from over 4 years ago has really no bearing on today.

 

[Josepho]

What is Vancouver paying us to take a 4.3 million dollar 4C off their hands?

The trade and contract at the time were awful for Sutter, but last season he was legitimately effective in a shutdown role. On a team as bad as ours, with tough deployment, our team still managed to outscore the opposition at 5v5 when Sutter was on the ice. Anything more than a shutdown 3C is a completely different story though.

He sure as hell isn't a fit in Toronto, but I definitely wouldn't give Sutter away for free.

 

[Bourne Endeavor]

Tanev + 3rd + Tyler Motte is definitely a deal that Toronto should take and run away with.

And this is coming from a Canucks fan. Tanev doesn't come anywhere near Matthews value. Adding Motte doesn't make up the difference. You're talking about a PPG 21 year old winger. While Tanev certainly has good value given his role and stellar defensive stats, you're treating him like he's a rookie phenom.

 

[Namikaze Minato]

Tanev for a conditional first rounder. Drops a round every ten games he misses due to injury.

 

[phillyb]

Leafs trading for more offense...
Stop avoiding the problem.

 

[BROCK HUGHES]

Trading with Toronto is like a bad toothach,,ya want it to go away.Im not wanting anything to do with trading Jake Virtanen.
So lets move on.

 

[Icebreakers]

Tanev for a conditional first rounder. Drops a round every ten games he misses due to injury.

Make it 20 and youve got a deal. 72 game Tanev is worth a lot more than a late second.

 

[PinkFly]

Sutter doesn’t do much but we have no other centers rn. Still wanna see what Jake can do in a full year too, although it might be grasping at straws. Leivo is nothing more than waiver fodder, and in a year or two Grundstrom and Brown are really whatever to us. We have plenty of them in our farm system

Isn't Virtanen waiver fodder aswell at this point?

 

[GoodbyeLuongo]

Isn't Virtanen waiver fodder aswell at this point?

Leivo is 25. Virtanen is 22. Not even close

 

[Randy Randerson]

Just cracks me up that Kasperi Kapanen has high top six potential but Jake Virtanen who has produced more than Kapanen is some waiver wire, 5th line RW bust

Virtanen probably shouldn't be written off at this point, but he hasn't been as good as Kapanen in the NHL, and not nearly as good as Kapanen in the AHL where both players got the offensive usage that neither really has in the NHL - Kapanen produced there at the rates you'd expect from a top 6 prospect, Virtanen fell well short of that. There is lots of evidence for Kapanen>Virtanen at this point, I think it would be hard to frame it otherwise