LD Rasmus Sandin - Rogle BK, SHL (2018, 29th, TOR)

[Cor]

Is this supposed to be directed at me? I was the one chirping him for putting Sandin down.

Negative.

In response to you. Not directed at you. More referring to the poster who tried to dismiss Sandin’s season due to games played when mostly ever other player on that list played less than Sandin.

 

[Hischier and Hughes]

lol.

Just hilarious. Will reach for anything to try and dismiss Sandin’s Season.

If he was drafted for any other team, this thread would be filled with people claiming him to be the next big thing along with Brannstrom.

or we know exactly what that poster was implying by posting a list that has Karlsson OEL and Carlson on it

Sandin aint that so lets just make that clear. Never did I dismiss his season so try again

 

[Cor]

or we know exactly what that poster was implying by posting a list that has Karlsson OEL and Carlson on it

Sandin aint that so lets just make that clear. Never did I dismiss his season so try again

Give me one reason why Rasmus Sandin can't develop into a similar calibre as OEL or Carlson.

Sandin is developing at a similar pace to all of them. He was drafted around the same spot as Carlson in the draft. Similar AHL production.

He posted a list that has Karlsson, OEL and Carlson on it BECAUSE SANDIN IS ON THE SAME LIST lmao

You tried to discredit him based on games played, when he's played more games at that pace then most of that list.

 

[Legion34]

Isn’t this another pick that TWS was sure was a bust?

He is like our mascot. Every prospect and player he determines to be a bust turns out to be a monster

 

[Hischier and Hughes]

Give me one reason why Rasmus Sandin can't develop into a similar calibre as OEL or Carlson.

Sandin is developing at a similar pace to all of them. He was drafted around the same spot as Carlson in the draft. Similar AHL production.

He posted a list that has Karlsson, OEL and Carlson on it BECAUSE SANDIN IS ON THE SAME LIST lmao

You tried to discredit him based on games played, when he's played more games at that pace then most of that list.

Because its very obvious when one watches Sandin he is no Karlsson or Carlson type of defenseman. OEL is a somewhat similarly styled player so it wouldnt shock me too much.

Think all you want that I have some unknown hatred or bias or reason to bring down Sandin. I was doing exactly what I do with every prospect who peoduces very well in the A or any other league outside the NHL and then is compared to superstar NHLers who produces similarly - youre trying far too hard to draw comparisons. Kenny f***ing Agostino has shredded the AHL for years wheres he in the NHL? Reid Boucher in NJ broke Stamkos goal scoring records as a prospect, has he even scored 10 in the NHL? Ty Smith just got near Doughtys records in the W but you dont see me going around pretending he can become that. Even if that slight chance exists Im not hanging my hat on it

Sandin can have perfectly good development and not be compared to Karlsson or Carlson

 

[Mickey Marner]

TIL, you're not allowed to post lists of the top-10 PPG seasons from teenage defensemen in AHL history, if it appears to put Sandin in good company.

 

[BrannigansLaw]

Because its very obvious when one watches Sandin he is no Karlsson or Carlson type of defenseman. OEL is a somewhat similarly styled player so it wouldnt shock me too much.

Think all you want that I have some unknown hatred or bias or reason to bring down Sandin. I was doing exactly what I do with every prospect who peoduces very well in the A or any other league outside the NHL and then is compared to superstar NHLers who produces similarly - youre trying far too hard to draw comparisons. Kenny ****ing Agostino has shredded the AHL for years wheres he in the NHL? Reid Boucher in NJ broke Stamkos goal scoring records as a prospect, has he even scored 10 in the NHL? Ty Smith just got near Doughtys records in the W but you dont see me going around pretending he can become that. Even if that slight chance exists Im not hanging my hat on it

Sandin can have perfectly good development and not be compared to Karlsson or Carlson

So your whole argument to dismiss him is that it should be "very obvious". OK guess we'll take your word for it

 

[Cor]

Because its very obvious when one watches Sandin he is no Karlsson or Carlson type of defenseman. OEL is a somewhat similarly styled player so it wouldnt shock me too much.

Think all you want that I have some unknown hatred or bias or reason to bring down Sandin. I was doing exactly what I do with every prospect who peoduces very well in the A or any other league outside the NHL and then is compared to superstar NHLers who produces similarly - youre trying far too hard to draw comparisons. Kenny ****ing Agostino has shredded the AHL for years wheres he in the NHL? Reid Boucher in NJ broke Stamkos goal scoring records as a prospect, has he even scored 10 in the NHL? Ty Smith just got near Doughtys records in the W but you dont see me going around pretending he can become that. Even if that slight chance exists Im not hanging my hat on it

Sandin can have perfectly good development and not be compared to Karlsson or Carlson

This is a hilarious post.

Here's a post that lists Ty Smith's production to other top WHL scoring d-men, you might want to go complain about this as well: LD Ty Smith - Spokane Chiefs, WHL (2018, 17th, NJD)

The idea that you can't show Sandin's production versus other teenage top producers because the others are really good is f***ing illogical.

I'm not sure what "they have different styles" has to do with anything. It's a list of production. No one has said Sandin has the same style as Karlsson, or OEL, or Carlson. Heck, Karlsson and Carlson are 1 & 2 for a reason on that list. Not one person is comparing him to them.

You're throwing a fit for no reason. Sandin is the fourth top producing U20 d-man in AHL history. He's the only one doing it in his U19 season. OEL just happens to have produced similarly. Karlsson and Carlson just happen to be the top two. Ristolainen, Faulk, Brannstrom, Orlov happen to be below him. There's no angling. It's just fact.

 

[Hischier and Hughes]

This is a hilarious post.

Here's a post that lists Ty Smith's production to other top WHL scoring d-men, you might want to go complain about this as well: LD Ty Smith - Spokane Chiefs, WHL (2018, 17th, NJD)

The idea that you can't show Sandin's production versus other teenage top producers because the others are really good is ****ing illogical.

I'm not sure what "they have different styles" has to do with anything. It's a list of production. No one has said Sandin has the same style as Karlsson, or OEL, or Carlson. Heck, Karlsson and Carlson are 1 & 2 for a reason on that list. Not one person is comparing him to them.

You're throwing a fit for no reason. Sandin is the fourth top producing U20 d-man in AHL history. He's the only one doing it in his U19 season. OEL just happens to have produced similarly. Karlsson and Carlson just happen to be the top two. Ristolainen, Faulk, Brannstrom, Orlov happen to be below him. There's no angling. It's just fact.

Right, and so that means you assume Sandin is the best U19 Dman to ever play in the AHL?

We fully agree to disagree and every Leafs fan who saw that tweet instantly thought Sandin can be as good as the top of that list, Youre kidding yourzelf if you think otherwise

 

[Hischier and Hughes]

TIL, you're not allowed to post lists of the top-10 PPG seasons from teenage defensemen in AHL history, if it appears to put Sandin in good company.

I can find any arbitrary statline with 2-3 conditions and have superstars pop up on it

It means literally nothing

 

[Mickey Marner]

I can find any arbitrary statline with 2-3 conditions and have superstars pop up on it

It means literally nothing

It's not arbitrary if it has conditions.

Just because you don't understand something, doesn't mean that it "means literally nothing".

 

[Hischier and Hughes]

It's not arbitrary if it has conditions.

Just because you don't understand something, doesn't mean that it "means literally nothing".

how dont I understand it?

So disagreeing means I dont understand, interesting tactic amigo

Keep thinking Sandin is the next Karlsson/Carlson

 

[Cor]

Right, and so that means you assume Sandin is the best U19 Dman to ever play in the AHL?

We fully agree to disagree and every Leafs fan who saw that tweet instantly thought Sandin can be as good as the top of that list, Youre kidding yourzelf if you think otherwise

The bolded is complete speculative bullshit nonsense.

From a production stand point, yes, Sandin is the best U19 d-man to play in the AHL, because he has the highest PPG. That's production only, and doesn't take into account numerous other factors, such as the low amount of d-men to play in the AHL U19, or defensive abilities etc

 

[Hischier and Hughes]

The bolded is complete speculative bull**** nonsense.

From a production stand point, yes, Sandin is the best U19 d-man to play in the AHL, because he has the highest PPG. That's production only, and doesn't take into account numerous other factors, such as the low amount of d-men to play in the AHL U19, or defensive abilities etc

Ill be right here being extremely happy for Sandin and thinking he can be in Torontos top-4 for years to come

But I 100% believe and know how fans, who arent as informed on how prospects work as others, are going to see that list and go ‘holy f*** weve got a Carlson coming up soon were going to be so good’.

Just because YOU know otherwise doesnt mean those less informed do. But lets end this here as ita derailing the thread at this point with where weve branched off to

Happy for Sandin to be doing really well, can never hate a man with the name Rasmus.

 

[4thline]

Right, and so that means you assume Sandin is the best U19 Dman to ever play in the AHL?

We fully agree to disagree and every Leafs fan who saw that tweet instantly thought Sandin can be as good as the top of that list, Youre kidding yourzelf if you think otherwise

It means literally nothing

Keep thinking Sandin is the next Karlsson/Carlson

I hate being the "fallacy guy" but you should really look up the meaning of both the strawman and false binary arguments.

You see, somewhere in between "It means he's the next Karlsson/Carlson" and "It means literally nothing"
is the reality of "It means that he's a very talented hockey player with high upside and likelihood of being a good to great NHL defenseman.

 

[Hischier and Hughes]

I hate being the "fallacy guy" but you should really look up the meaning of both the strawman and false binary arguments.

You see, somewhere in between "It means he's the next Karlsson/Carlson" and "It means literally nothing"
is the reality of "It means that he's a very talented hockey player with high upside and likelihood of being a good to great NHL defenseman.

read my post above yours. Fits right in there. got a bit amped up and started not wording properly

 

[Mickey Marner]

how dont I understand it?

Your mischaracterization of the list implies it.

So disagreeing means I dont understand, interesting tactic amigo

Keep thinking Sandin is the next Karlsson/Carlson

I disagree with you if this strawman is an accurate portrayal of your opinion, amigo.

Edit.

I see the 4thline has beaten me to the punch.

 

[4thline]

read my post above yours. Fits right in there. got a bit amped up and started not wording properly

I see another failed attempt to be patronizing through fallacy by someone that still doesn't get it.

 

[Hischier and Hughes]

Great well while you guys argue over that Ill stick to this:

Sandin will be a great defenseman for Toronto, just not Carlson or Karlsson. They have that already in Rielly anyway

 

[oooooooooohCanada]

Kenny ****ing Agostino has shredded the AHL for years wheres he in the NHL? Reid Boucher in NJ broke Stamkos goal scoring records as a prospect, has he even scored 10 in the NHL?

Agostino has had one point per game AHL season and it was at age 24 (57 in 65 at 23, 43 in 67 at 22). None of those numbers suggested that he would be a good NHL plaer.

Boucher beat that record after he was drafted.

 

[Brobust]

Because its very obvious when one watches Sandin he is no Karlsson or Carlson type of defenseman. OEL is a somewhat similarly styled player so it wouldnt shock me too much.

Think all you want that I have some unknown hatred or bias or reason to bring down Sandin. I was doing exactly what I do with every prospect who peoduces very well in the A or any other league outside the NHL and then is compared to superstar NHLers who produces similarly - youre trying far too hard to draw comparisons. Kenny ****ing Agostino has shredded the AHL for years wheres he in the NHL? Reid Boucher in NJ broke Stamkos goal scoring records as a prospect, has he even scored 10 in the NHL? Ty Smith just got near Doughtys records in the W but you dont see me going around pretending he can become that. Even if that slight chance exists Im not hanging my hat on it

Sandin can have perfectly good development and not be compared to Karlsson or Carlson

I get your argument if we're talking about Sandin and Karlsson in the same sentence. But Sandin and Carlson being mentioned together doesn't really warrant this response.

 

[justafan22]

Agostino has had one point per game AHL season and it was at age 24 (57 in 65 at 23, 43 in 67 at 22). None of those numbers suggested that he would be a good NHL plaer.

Boucher beat that record after he was drafted.

age is a factor here.

 

[Bevans]

I hope Sandin is better at defense than Hischier and Hughes.

 

[LeafChief]

He played half a season... dont try to imply anything from that other than hes doing well

Yikes.

Do some research before you make bad posts.

 

[Hischier and Hughes]

I get your argument if we're talking about Sandin and Karlsson in the same sentence. But Sandin and Carlson being mentioned together doesn't really warrant this response.

Fair enough