NoShowWilly
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they were reliable over long stretches on a defense that took a real beating in 2011. Not one player on your list of defense other than Sbisa has proven anything yet.
Prospect Info: LD Olli Juolevi - London Knights - 5th Overall 2016
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they were reliable over long stretches on a defense that took a real beating in 2011. Not one player on your list of defense other than Sbisa has proven anything yet.
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Saw this on the prospects board. Olli is in the best defenseman poll:
http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/juniors/2016-17-pre-season-ohl-coaches-poll/
http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/juniors/2016-17-pre-season-ohl-coaches-poll/
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Yep and there's a reason why Juolevi was the consensus best Dman in the draft according to NHL scouts. But seriously, if we are to be honest with ourselves, Juolevi and Sergachev are pretty close in terms of Dman at the time of the draft. The Oilers were reportedly prepared to draft Sergachev 4th overall if Pujujarvi didn't fall. Juolevi, on the other hand, had scouts predicting him to go in the top 4 or 5 even before the WJC. So it's not like Juolevi simply came on strong at the end. He was a guy that caught the eye of the scouts pretty much from the beginning of last season.
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There is a big difference between, being the best player NOW and being the best player 5 years from now.
Juolevi is much much smarter d-man then Sergachev, but Sergachev is more physically gifted. Who am I going to bet on being better in 5 years? Look at Horvat vs Nichushkin, Nichuskin was better at 18 but Horvat is better now.
Hell, look at Sean Day. The kid dominated junior hockey pre-CHL because he was so physically gifted and came into the CHL and didn't develop.
It's not relevant who is better now, we are drafting for who is better in 5 years.
Juolevi will grow into his body, he'll probably develop better then Sergachev because of his extreme H-IQ.
Juolevi is much much smarter d-man then Sergachev, but Sergachev is more physically gifted. Who am I going to bet on being better in 5 years? Look at Horvat vs Nichushkin, Nichuskin was better at 18 but Horvat is better now.
Hell, look at Sean Day. The kid dominated junior hockey pre-CHL because he was so physically gifted and came into the CHL and didn't develop.
It's not relevant who is better now, we are drafting for who is better in 5 years.
Juolevi will grow into his body, he'll probably develop better then Sergachev because of his extreme H-IQ.
I have Juolevi ahead of Sergachev but Juolevi being ahead of Sergachev is definitely not a consensus. However, I think you are mistaken about Juolevi's ranking during his draft year.
Juolevi was ranked 13th in September by Mckenzie
http://www.tsn.ca/elite-prospect-matthews-tops-mckenzie-s-ranking-1.364099
Juolevi rose to 7th after World Juniors in Feb
http://www.tsn.ca/tsn-mid-season-draft-ranking-topped-by-big-three-1.435206
Juolevi stayed 7th in April
http://www.tsn.ca/laine-closes-gap-on-matthews-atop-tsn-draft-rankings-1.478128
Juolevi ranks as 6th in the final rankings
http://www.tsn.ca/matthews-goes-wire-to-wire-as-tsn-s-top-prospect-1.511597
Juolevi definitely was not a top 4-5 pick before the world juniors. I don't even think he ever cracked the top 5 which was a general consensus throughout the entire year. A lot to do with Juolevi's rise is without a doubt from the WJC gold medal win.
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Maybe we didn't? Would that be so unlikely?
Maybe he is but it seems most OHL coaches disagree with HFBoards poster Lawrence. Everyone gets to have an opinion.
Um...you don't have to be a "hater" to disagree with the pick?
yeah, I don't hate management as much as most around here, and I wouldn't have selected Juolevi with the 5th.
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Everyone who doesn't like the pick is a hater? What do you call someone that likes the pick no matter what?
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Saw his IQ and poise in flashes tonight but not ready for the NHL. Low key wish we picked Tkachuk still but Olli has a high floor so we got that going for us
First of all, according to the final TSN rankings you posted, Juolevi was the highest ranked Dman and here are some quotes:
TSN clearly believed that Juolevi was the consensus top Dman and he was in the same grouping as Dubois and Tkachuk.
This sportsnet article talked about Juolevi being a possible top 5 pick: http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/juniors/scouts-like-juolevi-chychrun-nhl-draft/
Second of all, I remember reading or hearing that Juolevi had overtaken Chychrun before the WJC. I can't find any links or anything that says he was a possible top 5 pick at the time, so I take back that statement if you like as it doesn't matter.
sergachev is already physically dominant as a defensemen thats a great asset
u can grow but u cant
magically have a 130+ iq like someone who makes decisons like olli does
the lidstrom comparrison hooked me from april i just cannot see a more of a pay off to a player than the smartest guy in the league who just needs to get professional skating and conditoning to unlock his true potential.
especially at 5th overall
u can grow but u cant
magically have a 130+ iq like someone who makes decisons like olli does
the lidstrom comparrison hooked me from april i just cannot see a more of a pay off to a player than the smartest guy in the league who just needs to get professional skating and conditoning to unlock his true potential.
especially at 5th overall
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When did he say that? He said it's another weapon for Canucks haters to use, not anyone who agrees with the article is a Canucks hater.
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Please keep looking for that top 5 before the WJC article I'd like to read it.
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He's clearly taking shots at people who aren't exactly overly giddy about the pick, when they may have wanted someone else or think someone better was left on the board. That doesn't make them haters on the management, it means they have an opinion.
So I countered by asking, what is someone that blindly likes whatever management does, which is the opposite of apparently hating anything you don't agree with.
Juolevi isn't 'better' than Sergachev, nor is Sergachev better than Juolevi. You can't even come to that conclusion right now.
BenningHurtsMySoul
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No reason at all to rush this kid into the bigs, especially if Stecher develops. That would make four dmen under 25 on the team.
Just let him develop in London and maybe even a year in Utica. Captain the WJC team too
Just let him develop in London and maybe even a year in Utica. Captain the WJC team too
Not even remotely ready.
He didn't do anything stupid positionally last night but was physically timid and looked incredibly nervous with the puck on his stick. Was dominated in puck battles. Did make some nicer long passes in the third period but wasn't a great debut - not that there's anything wrong with that.
Will say again that I'm very disappointed that he's being sent back to the OHL (where he's already excelled and won everything he can win) instead of being stepped up a level to play in the SEL against men and start playing a higher-tempo game.
He didn't do anything stupid positionally last night but was physically timid and looked incredibly nervous with the puck on his stick. Was dominated in puck battles. Did make some nicer long passes in the third period but wasn't a great debut - not that there's anything wrong with that.
Will say again that I'm very disappointed that he's being sent back to the OHL (where he's already excelled and won everything he can win) instead of being stepped up a level to play in the SEL against men and start playing a higher-tempo game.
Why would a Finn go to Swedish Elite league though? 
I agree though. He has basically done all the things at the OHL level and playing against men would start injecting those correct habits into his game.
I agree though. He has basically done all the things at the OHL level and playing against men would start injecting those correct habits into his game.
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