LD Jake Sanderson - Univ. of North Dakota, NCAA (2020, 5th, OTT) Part 2

[topshelf15]

Why is it sardonic? They both followed same path. Unlike Hanifan and Werenski, who skipped the U18 and went to college a year early. But they were a lot bigger than York and Sanderson, so they could handle the college game.

Please just stop ,Sanderson has looked every bit the part of being a top 5 pick...Elite skating and defense ability along with a very good emerging offensive game....Make a poll and then you will see that no one agree,s with your assessment on him

 

[Mersss]

Probably has a lot to do with the 7YR stretch from 2008-2015 where they missed on 6 straight 1st round picks (Leblanc, Tinordi, Beaulieu, Galchenyuk, McCarron, Scherbak, Juulsen) and only produced one above average NHLer (Gallagher) during that time.

Their drafts the past couple years look good, but the Habs were unquestionably one of the worst drafting teams the previous decade (2008-2018).

See, problm here is, Habs during those years drafted out of the top15 EVERY draft except the Galchenyuk one... Vs Ottawa who's drafted ONCE outside of the top15. The fact is you'll most probably lose when drafting outside of the top15 for so long at some point.

In the past 15 years, Habs have drafted a big total of THREE times in the top10, 4X in the top15. They drafted Galchenyuk (horrible draft), Sergachev (top 3 dman, they traded him tho) and KK (top 6 C at age 20, still one of the 10 youngest playe rin the NHL RIGHT NOW). Sens have drafted 5 times int he top 10 during those same years, at that's not counting your 2 picks in the 2020 draft. Chances you miss inside the top10 are a LOT slimmer than in the 15-25 range (where Habs drafted most of the time)

And let's be honnest, Galchenyuk is stil a top10 ffeensive producer out of that putrid draft year, and Juulse was trening VERY well before getting those nasty injuries, that's not a Habs problem

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

See, problm here is, Habs during those years drafted out of the top15 EVERY draft except the Galchenyuk one... Vs Ottawa who's drafted ONCE outside of the top15. The fact is you'll most probably lose when drafting outside of the top15 for so long at some point.

Not disagreeing with the general point but Ottawa's first pick was lower than 15 four times in that span and right on the dot at 15 twice. They had two picks higher than 15 and Montreal had 1.

 

[foggyvisor]

Please just stop ,Sanderson has looked every bit the part of being a top 5 pick...Elite skating and defense ability along with a very good emerging offensive game....Make a poll and then you will see that no one agree,s with your assessment on him

I think you need to stop too.

 

[Mersss]

Not disagreeing with the general point but Ottawa's first pick was lower than 15 four times in that span and right on the dot at 15 twice. They had two picks higher than 15 and Montreal had 1.

2009 9th OA
2010 16OA (traded)
2011 6th OA
2012 15
2013 17
2014 10OA (Traded)
2015 18OA
2016 11OA
2017 28OA
2018 4OA

Bottom line, Ottawa has drafted ONCE outside of the top20 in the past decade Over the same time, MTL has drafted outside of the top20 5 times. It's only normal that, at some point, when yoU're constantly drafting outside of the top20 (50% of the time actually), your team's drafting will be poor. COnsidering you have a 20% chance of drating a NHLer outside of the top20 in the 1st round

 

[topshelf15]

I think you need to stop too.

He is in every Ottawa post running his no nothing mouth.....He need to GTFO

 

[topshelf15]

2009 9th OA
2010 16OA (traded)
2011 6th OA
2012 15
2013 17
2014 10OA (Traded)
2015 18OA
2016 11OA
2017 28OA
2018 4OA

Bottom line, Ottawa has drafted ONCE outside of the top20 in the past decade Over the same time, MTL has drafted outside of the top20 5 times. It's only normal that, at some point, when yoU're constantly drafting outside of the top20 (50% of the time actually), your team's drafting will be poor. COnsidering you have a 20% chance of drating a NHLer outside of the top20 in the 1st round

Funny JGP,Hoffman,Dzingle Stone etc would disagree with you there...Ottawa is the better drafting team,this shouldnt even be a question...Now if the troll Robert Allan could just leave well enough alone and stop pestering Ottawa fans about their prospects it would be a good thing

 

[GermanSpitfire]

2009 9th OA
2010 16OA (traded)
2011 6th OA
2012 15
2013 17
2014 10OA (Traded)
2015 18OA
2016 11OA
2017 28OA
2018 4OA

Bottom line, Ottawa has drafted ONCE outside of the top20 in the past decade Over the same time, MTL has drafted outside of the top20 5 times. It's only normal that, at some point, when yoU're constantly drafting outside of the top20 (50% of the time actually), your team's drafting will be poor. COnsidering you have a 20% chance of drating a NHLer outside of the top20 in the 1st round

That’s simply not true, look at teams like Tampa, Pittsburgh and Detroit for example, they have been at the bottom of the first round and continued to not only find talent at the end of the first but rounds 2-7 also.
Ottawa has had a less than stellar over the past 15 years drafting in the first round, however it’s still better than Montreal’s and not only that Montreal has struggled to find talent in rounds 2-7 in that time frame whereas Ottawa has been one of the best in the NHL in that regard.

 

[JohnLennon]

That’s simply not true, look at teams like Tampa, Pittsburgh and Detroit for example, they have been at the bottom of the first round and continued to not only find talent at the end of the first but rounds 2-7 also.
Ottawa has had a less than stellar over the past 15 years drafting in the first round, however it’s still better than Montreal’s and not only that Montreal has struggled to find talent in rounds 2-7 in that time frame whereas Ottawa has been one of the best in the NHL in that regard.

Pittsburgh and Detroit are horrible examples. Detroit fell apart partly BECAUSE their drafting was not sustaining them enough as their team aged and their contention window closed, and Pittsburgh is notorious for filling out their team through trade much more than drafting. The only team I kind of agree with is Tampa because they found Kucherov and Point later in the draft, among others but even then, this has not been a consistent trend as you quickly see them falling fast in the prospect rankings year after year while they keep drafting late/trading picks like Montreal and Pittsburgh are doing. They also haven't been doing that much in the last 5-6 years as well as they used to.

Honestly, all three of those examples actually support the point you're arguing against: consistently drafting late and trading picks will tank your prospect pool. Happened to the Habs, and is quickly happening to TBL/PIT. Detroit is only starting to get a great prospect pool and why? They're building through the draft, drafting high and drafting frequently.

Now can we please bring this conversation back to Sanderson? This has nothing to do with the Habs unless everyone really wants to obsess over one random poster.

 

[Dr Quincy]

How come no one compares Sanderson to Cam York? They both came out as top NDTP defensemen in consecutive years. York had a similar Freshman season on a bad Michigan team. Sanderson is a little bigger, but York seems to have more offense.

Just wondering... do you actually watch games or do you just look at bios?

 

[Dr Quincy]

double post

 

[Bevans]

M
Ottawa has had a less than stellar over the past 15 years drafting in the first round, however it’s still better than Montreal’s and not only that Montreal has struggled to find talent in rounds 2-7 in that time frame whereas Ottawa has been one of the best in the NHL in that regard.

This is not true.

2006- Foligno
2008- Karlsson
2009- Cowen
2009- Stefan Noesen
2012- Cody Ceci
2013- Curtis Lazar
2015- Tomas Chabot
2015- Colin White
2016- Logan Brown (TBD)
2017- Shane Bowers (TBD)
2018- Brady Tkachuk
2018- Bernard-Docker (TBD)
2019- Lassi Thomson (TBD)
2020- Tim Stutzle (TBD)
2020- Jake Sanderson (TBD)
2020- Ridley Grieg (TBD)

Maybe you have unrealistic expectations for 1st round picks. 8 of their 12 1st round picks between 2006-2016 played at least 150 games. 7 of them 250 or more. You don't get a superstar every pick. Consistently drafting NHLers is good drafting.

 

[Korpse]

Now can we please bring this conversation back to Sanderson?

Please!

I selfishly want his season to continue with the Senators organization, he was just starting to hit a new level. His play was good at the start of the season but this last month it has been phenomenal. His defensive acumen is pretty well known by this point and prior to the draft over shadowed his offensive abilities but this season he continued to progress offensively. Whether it was being apart of the counterattack, being involved on the cycle in the offensive zone, he was a constant threat. There is still room to grow and it feels like he is still learning how good he can be so I definitely see the argument for returning to UND.

 

[SlapJack]

For every argument stating he's ready for the NHL, there will be a counter as to why he shouldn't make the jump to pro. But it's going to come down to one thing alone: does he want to go pro? That's it. I don't think the facilities at ND will be that much of draw when he's offered a chance at being a millionaire flying first class to games while someone else carries his bags.

He has all the tools to step in now without it being a rush. The biggest asset that I see is his IQ - he knows how to play the right way and learns exponentially.

 

[Gopher13]

He isnt close to being ready physically for the NHL right now. Why rush it? Cale Makar spent two years at Umass and was ready. If its not clear as day then stay another season and then go pro.

 

[DrSense]

How come no one compares Sanderson to Cam York? They both came out as top NDTP defensemen in consecutive years. York had a similar Freshman season on a bad Michigan team. Sanderson is a little bigger, but York seems to have more offense.

Probably for reasons like the UNTP coach saying Sanderson might be the best defencemen he's ever had on the U18 squad. That type of description puts him in the class of Werenski, McAvoy and Seth Jones, not Cam York.

York is a nice little d-man though.

 

[SensFactor]

Sanderson has looked awesome but I have to agree with some posters that I keep him in North Dakota for another year. Let him dominate and continue to grow.

 

[robert ethan]

Probably for reasons like the UNTP coach saying Sanderson might be the best defencemen he's ever had on the U18 squad. That type of description puts him in the class of Werenski, McAvoy and Seth Jones, not Cam York.

York is a nice little d-man though.

OK, how about K'Andre Miller from the previous class, then? Miller towers over Sanderson and had a much more impressive first year in college. Naw, can't be bothered with current comparables, head straight to Ryan Suter ......

 

[Korpse]

OK, how about K'Andre Miller from the previous class, then? Miller towers over Sanderson and had a much more impressive first year in college. Naw, can't be bothered with current comparables, head straight to Ryan Suter ......

Boxscore Bob.

 

[BondraTime]

Boxscore Bob.

That can’t even get box scores correct half the time

 

[robert ethan]

That can’t even get box scores correct half the time

Hanifan, Werenski, and McAvoy from the program all had a full college season as impressive as Sanderson before they were drafted. They all had about 30 pounds on him as well. Curb your enthusiasm.

 

[Fatass]

Get him signed and onto his pro career. Kid is going to be a top pair excellent D man.

 

[Wondercarrot]

2009 9th OA
2010 16OA (traded)
2011 6th OA
2012 15
2013 17
2014 10OA (Traded)
2015 18OA
2016 11OA
2017 28OA
2018 4OA

Bottom line, Ottawa has drafted ONCE outside of the top20 in the past decade Over the same time, MTL has drafted outside of the top20 5 times. It's only normal that, at some point, when yoU're constantly drafting outside of the top20 (50% of the time actually), your team's drafting will be poor. COnsidering you have a 20% chance of drating a NHLer outside of the top20 in the 1st round

you aren’t exactly concerned about facts in any of your posts are you?
I mean there a so many in accuracies that you’re probably just trolling but I’m here to educate you on this one this aspect of your nonsense anyway.
It’s not less than 20% in the first round after 20 it’s closer to 60%
Here’s the link to the long article analyzing your wrongness.
NHL Draft Pick Probabilities

 

[Sting]

Hanifan, Werenski, and McAvoy from the program all had a full college season as impressive as Sanderson before they were drafted. They all had about 30 pounds on him as well. Curb your enthusiasm.

You realize 18 year olds typically put on weight, right? And that every kid has a different age where they get their "man strength".

I am also not sure why your arguments always go back to stats, whether they be height/weight or point totals.

Using one of your team's own prospects as an example, Cole Caufield, literally the entire world "towers" over him. His stats, while impressive, also compare to some players who had less than stellar careers. Should we assume the same is going to happen to Cole? No...that would be absurd. There are so many factors involved in what makes a star NHL player other than an 18 year old's numbers.

 

[supsens]

you aren’t exactly concerned about facts in any of your posts are you?
I mean there a so many in accuracies that you’re probably just trolling but I’m here to educate you on this one this aspect of your nonsense anyway.
It’s not less than 20% in the first round after 20 it’s closer to 60%
Here’s the link to the long article analyzing your wrongness.
NHL Draft Pick Probabilities

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This is based on 100 games, not if they stuck or had good careers or turned into regular NHL players