Anaheim4ever
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This isn't a thing anymore.Should have traded Calhoun, his numbers are fading and its looking like they now gotta hope to trade him via a waiver claim or be ready to decline his option.
No reason for him to not pick up a warm body starter. Doesn’t have to be anyone good as we aren’t making the playoffs, but our rotation is absolutely decimated. He needed to bring someone in to keep guys like Suarez from getting shelled in the majors when they clearly aren’t readyGiven the injuries since the deadline, safe to say Eppler made the smart move not trying to make moves at the deadline. End of the day, they weren't expected to be competitive in 2019 - all depends on this coming off-season, if Eppler doesn't add some good pitching this off-season he'll certainly be on the hotseat.
Given the injuries since the deadline, safe to say Eppler made the smart move not trying to make moves at the deadline. End of the day, they weren't expected to be competitive in 2019 - all depends on this coming off-season, if Eppler doesn't add some good pitching this off-season he'll certainly be on the hotseat.
I've been pretty damn patient with him thus far, but if we don't have a significantly improved pitching staff next season, then I will say he needs to go
My wish is for us to sign Gerrit Cole, another starting pitcher, and draft a pitcher in the 2020 Draft. It’s gonna be a deep draft and it’s a perfect time for us to draft a pitcher in the 1st round.
They said the 2019 draft wasn’t very deep. 2020 however is going to be the total opposite. I believe in some mock drafts they had like 11 pitchers going in the top 20. This offseason will be the year you will see the team go after big free agent pitchers.Do you know how many times me and other Angels fans have said to grab two quality starting pitchers and draft a pitcher in the first round under Eppler? He's got another year to break through the .500 threshold. This might be the fourth year the Angels finish below .500, but definitely fourth year not in playoff contention. This is the fourth year the Angels have allowed over 700 runs scored.
Gerrit Cole is the top target imo, he's from Newport Beach so he'd be playing next to home with the Angels. The Angels have acquired his favorite catcher thru trade & don't they have his former pitching coach too ?They said the 2019 draft wasn’t very deep. 2020 however is going to be the total opposite. I believe in some mock drafts they had like 11 pitchers going in the top 20. This offseason will be the year you will see the team go after big free agent pitchers.
Not sure I agree with this. He is a question mark as a starting pitcher (because of health, not talent) and already established as one of the top young hitters in the game. IMO Angels need his bat in the lineup to protect Trout. Sitting him 3 days a week to get one 5-6 inning start as a pitcher in may not be in their best interests.Well Ohtani is still recovering from his TJ, probably don't want to be running him into the ground during a lost season. His arm is going to be far, far more important to the team then his bat.
I predict he will eventually after future injuries end up being only a position player. Could see him becoming a corner OF or 3B with alot of glove reach to catch line drives & strong throwing arm to 1st or simply playing 1B. I feel he's one of those pitchers who will just keep getting hurt.Not sure I agree with this. He is a question mark as a starting pitcher (because of health, not talent) and already established as one of the top young hitters in the game. IMO Angels need his bat in the lineup to protect Trout. Sitting him 3 days a week to get one 5-6 inning start as a pitcher in may not be in their best interests.
I think he would be one of the best RF's in baseball. Speed, arm, athletic ability. If I was an Angel fan, I would salivate over a Trout/Adell/Ohtani outfield.I predict he will eventually after future injuries end up being only a position player. Could see him becoming a corner OF or 3B with alot of glove reach to catch line drives & strong throwing arm to 1st or simply playing 1B. I feel he's one of those pitchers who will just keep getting hurt.
They said the 2019 draft wasn’t very deep. 2020 however is going to be the total opposite. I believe in some mock drafts they had like 11 pitchers going in the top 20. This offseason will be the year you will see the team go after big free agent pitchers.
Not sure I agree with this. He is a question mark as a starting pitcher (because of health, not talent) and already established as one of the top young hitters in the game. IMO Angels need his bat in the lineup to protect Trout. Sitting him 3 days a week to get one 5-6 inning start as a pitcher in may not be in their best interests.
Ohtani as a starting pitcher would give you a better chance to win one game a week. But the 3 games he isn't hitting that week lessen the Angels chances to win those. One of the big reasons Angels are scoring runs is Ohtani's presence in the lineup. Not the same without him in there.So how's that hitting helped out with wins this year? Maybe pitching can help if Ohtani can be healthy all season. If Ohtani gets in 26 games, then we increase our chances of winning those 26 games b/c of his pitching as we already have hitting. We can win 1 - 0 as opposed to losing 7-6 often.
Ohtani will still hit the ball as a pitcher, so it isn't as if we won't get the best of both worlds from Ohtani.
If Anaheim had 3 or 4 quality starters right now, I would agree but given Anaheim's lack of starting pitching depth in the organisation a top quality starting arm is more important. I'm not saying Ohtani's bat isn't valuable or he isn't an important part of the offence, but Ohtani is by far and away Anaheim's best starting pitcher (assuming he's healthy).Not sure I agree with this. He is a question mark as a starting pitcher (because of health, not talent) and already established as one of the top young hitters in the game. IMO Angels need his bat in the lineup to protect Trout. Sitting him 3 days a week to get one 5-6 inning start as a pitcher in may not be in their best interests.
You make a good point. It will be interesting to see how it all plays out.If Anaheim had 3 or 4 quality starters right now, I would agree but given Anaheim's lack of starting pitching depth in the organisation a top quality starting arm is more important. I'm not saying Ohtani's bat isn't valuable or he isn't an important part of the offence, but Ohtani is by far and away Anaheim's best starting pitcher (assuming he's healthy).
IMO Anaheim still has a good offence without Ohtani in the line up every single day while they have a disastrous rotation without Ohtani in it (assuming health)
You make a good point. It will be interesting to see how it all plays out.
2017-18 Angels Pitching Staff | ||||
Minimum of 10 starts | ||||
Pitcher | GS | Innings Pitched | ERA | Runs Allowed |
Ohtani | 10 | 55.2 | 3.31 | 19 |
Barria | 26 | 129.1 | 3.41 | 50 |
Richards | 16 | 76.1 | 3.66 | 43 |
Skaggs | 24 | 125.1 | 4.02 | 60 |
Heaney | 30 | 180.0 | 4.15 | 91 |
Pena | 16 | 92.2 | 4.18 | 45 |
Tropeano | 14 | 76.0 | 4.74 | 41 |
2018-19 Angels Pitching Staff | ||||
Minimum of 9 starts (25 games left to play) | ||||
Pitcher | GS | Innings Pitched | ERA | Runs Allowed |
Heaney | 13 | 70.2 | 3.95 | 32 |
Skaggs | 15 | 79.2 | 4.29 | 41 |
Canning | 17 | 90.1 | 4.58 | 46 |
Barria | 9 | 62.0 | 6.10 | 43 |
Cahill | 11 | 91.1 | 6.41 | 68 |
Suarez | 13 | 63.0 | 6.71 | 50 |
Harvey | 12 | 59.2 | 7.09 | 48 |
It's not as simple as you are trying to make it. Taking an asset from your offense and transferring it to the pitching staff doesn't automatically improve the team. You say the Angels can still score runs without Ohtani, but they will score far less of them. The real question is: are the runs he prevents in one start per week worth more than those he would have created being in the lineup the three games that he will miss? Or to make it more specific: will 6 innings of Ohtani instead of Barria/Suarez once a week more valuable than 3 games a week of Ohtani(the hitter) compared to Thaiss/Bour/Walsh. I'm too lazy to do the math on that, but am not sure it's the slam dunk you think it is. An interesting compromise position would be to make Ohtani an everyday hitter, but have him available to close/relieve 2 or 3 games a week.Seriously, this is what I've been presenting all along. Eppler hasn't given the Angels a proper pitching staff and Ohtani is the ACE of the team. You're seeing things WITHOUT SCOPE. That's why I stated, "So how's that hitting helped out with wins this year? Maybe pitching can help if Ohtani can be healthy all season. If Ohtani gets in 26 games, then we increase our chances of winning those 26 games b/c of his pitching as we already have hitting. We can win 1 - 0 as opposed to losing 7-6 often. "
Angels (up to date, 137 games, with 25 more games left to play)
Runs Scored: 687 run (11th best)
Runs Allowed: 723 runs allowed (24th best, Dodgers are the best with only 535 runs allowed)
Last year, Ohtani participated in 10 games. The team allowed 722 run in 162 games, 18th best overall. This season's Angels have 25 games left have already surpassed runs allowed from last season. That's pathetic! Just how good is Ohtani?
2018 v 2019 Angels Pitching Staff
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2017-18 Angels Pitching Staff Minimum of 10 starts Pitcher GS Innings Pitched ERA Runs Allowed Ohtani 10 55.2 3.31 19 Barria 26 129.1 3.41 50 Richards 16 76.1 3.66 43 Skaggs 24 125.1 4.02 60 Heaney 30 180.0 4.15 91 Pena 16 92.2 4.18 45 Tropeano 14 76.0 4.74 41
Notice Ohtani possessing the best ERA, but his elbow gave out and had to be shutdown as the injury required Tommy John surgery. That's Ohtani's rookie season in the MLB's! The runs allowed per innings pitched rate was 0.47.
Canning is a 23-year old rookie. Last year, Ohtani also debuted at age 23. Maybe you're simply underselling Ohtani's importance as a pitcher. Also, the Angels have lost Skaggs. The runs allowed per innings pitched rate was 0.63.[TBODY] [/TBODY]
2018-19 Angels Pitching Staff Minimum of 9 starts (25 games left to play) Pitcher GS Innings Pitched ERA Runs Allowed Heaney 13 70.2 3.95 32 Skaggs 15 79.2 4.29 41 Canning 17 90.1 4.58 46 Barria 9 62.0 6.10 43 Cahill 11 91.1 6.41 68 Suarez 13 63.0 6.71 50 Harvey 12 59.2 7.09 48
The Angels can score runs without Ohtani, but the Angels have not much in their starting pitching staff. Canning was just shutdown with elbow inflammation, and should be shut down for the rest of the season. It appears that Ohtani and Heaney appear to be solid starters going into next season. Adding Cole isn't going to be enough. Just how much money do the Angels have to acquire a second top-end pitcher?
Yep & its also overstating how much games & innings Ohtani will do in a mostly healthy season for Ohtani standards.It's not as simple as you are trying to make it. Taking an asset from your offense and transferring it to the pitching staff doesn't automatically improve the team. You say the Angels can still score runs without Ohtani, but they will score far less of them. The real question is: are the runs he prevents in one start per week worth more than those he would have created being in the lineup the three games that he will miss? Or to make it more specific: will 6 innings of Ohtani instead of Barria/Suarez once a week more valuable than 3 games a week of Ohtani(the hitter) compared to Thaiss/Bour/Walsh. I'm too lazy to do the math on that, but am not sure it's the slam dunk you think it is. An interesting compromise position would be to make Ohtani an everyday hitter, but have him available to close/relieve 2 or 3 games a week.