Rumor: Krug's Rights to be traded. DRW in running

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

My main concern isn't 20/21 or 21/22 its 24/25 and 25/26. I don't want a 33 year old 7 million dollar 5'9" power play specialist as one of our highest paid players in 24/25

Really my only concern is about the contract. To prove it I would be comfortable signing Krug at 11 million per season, if it was for only 2 years. I still think that wastes an asset though because we can't leverage cap dumps like Staal

I don't think we will.

Let's say in 24-25 or 26 we're still a playoff bubble team. Krug gets a 6 year deal from the Wings. He'll be either on the 2nd to last, or the last year of the deal in a time when the cap has theoretically increased to between 86 and 90 million. He could get traded to a contender for an asset at that time.

It's a zero risk move. Signing Krug isn't going to stop us from signing Zadina when he pots 30 goals in a season. And if we're looking at our drafting successes from 2018 to 2020, a lot of those guys will be on their first or second contracts so they won't be demanding too much either.

We will be ok, my dude.

 

[Frk It]

The idea that at any point in the next ~5 years we're scrounging for that 1 million in cap space is just ridiculous tbh. We have a million ways to build this roster, a million ways to sign contracts. We are LIKELY to get good cost-effectiveness on our ELC and RFA deals. Saving that 1 million? UFA is not where you need to do it when you're in our situation.

This.

 

[Retire91]

It's not going to be the 1 million we don't have to sign other players. It's going to be the 7+ million that could be used to sign a UFA that is a better fit and more complete player or taken on a cap dump that won't be possible because its locked on Krug. Cap flexibility is a powerful thing and it goes away faster than people think. At the stage the roster is in now there is no reason to consume cap when its going to a player that is not a cornerstone in your core.

 

[FMichael]

If the Bruins field a competitive offer then sure, but if total contract value is 6-10 million more are you sticking around then?

Sorry for the late reply...

No doubt $$$, and length of contract will play a huge factor in where Krug would sign for it'll most likely be his last NHL contract.

That said - I guess some factors would come into play here - who is this team offering more $$$ (is it a desirable place to play with sold-out crowds in the stands every night), how's the local media (will they be in your face after every game like what we see in every Canadian market - especially Toronto, and Montreal), your relationship with your current teammates, coaches, fans, and most of all - how's the spouse/significant other's feelings about staying put, or moving on (remember what apparently went down with Chris Pronger - his wife - and Edmonton).

This was some time ago, but it reminds me how Marty Lapointe had left Detroit for Boston...Courtesy of some unusual tidbits within the CBA back then - a guy making less than the league average could become a UFA after 5 (or was it 6) seasons - thus when Boston offered him $5 million for 4 years while Holland's offer was significantly less - a tearful Lapointe bid his teammates farewell for greener pa$ture$.

 

[Henkka]

NO rights traded?

Sounds like there's not much market, if he has already destination decided.

 

[Frk It]

It's not going to be the 1 million we don't have to sign other players. It's going to be the 7+ million that could be used to sign a UFA that is a better fit and more complete player or taken on a cap dump that won't be possible because its locked on Krug. Cap flexibility is a powerful thing and it goes away faster than people think. At the stage the roster is in now there is no reason to consume cap when its going to a player that is not a cornerstone in your core.

Look at UFA defenseman over the last 10 years and tell me how likely it is a player like that hits free agency (and is interested in Detroit).

 

[Retire91]

Look at UFA defenseman over the last 10 years and tell me how likely it is a player like that hits free agency (and is interested in Detroit).

Granted its not often but opportunities for D do happen which means patience has value. I also don't see how that is relevant, if a player is a bad fit, the frequency in which said player is on the market doesn't make a difference in my opinion. We are also a terrible destination making it even more likely he would be a massive over payment.

I know the arguments about how we can afford it no problem, I just don't see it the same way. The value we get for the contract is not there.

Yzerrman also has the ability to pull out of nowhere deals and does trade roster players. Give the guy a chance he hasn't even gotten started yet.

 

[newfy]

I think the very small odds of Krug somehow screwing up the wings cap structure going forward are outweighed by having a great puck mover to help all the young players develop. Hes going to help guys like Zadina, Larkin, the 4th overall this year produce on the PP and get the puck to them at 5 on 5. Hes also going to have some hand in helping Hronek and Seider develop even more offensively.

The wings D was bad last year, I'm not even slightly against improving it to help the young guys improve. Do we really need to have another season with the quality of D of Biega, Daley and others playing big minutes?

 

[Rzombo4 prez]

I think the very small odds of Krug somehow screwing up the wings cap structure going forward are outweighed by having a great puck mover to help all the young players develop. Hes going to help guys like Zadina, Larkin, the 4th overall this year produce on the PP and get the puck to them at 5 on 5. Hes also going to have some hand in helping Hronek and Seider develop even more offensively.

The wings D was bad last year, I'm not even slightly against improving it to help the young guys improve. Do we really need to have another season with the quality of D of Biega, Daley and others playing big minutes?

Yeah, it is really hard to develop offensive players when you are hemmed in your own zone all game. I am not sure that another Nemeth-style free agent is really going to help that cause.

 

[newfy]

Yeah, it is really hard to develop offensive players when you are hemmed in your own zone all game. I am not sure that another Nemeth-style free agent is really going to help that cause.

Exactly. If the options are having Krug or Biega hitting Larkin in stride on the breakout I'm taking Krug.

If that deal was legit offered to Krug by Boston, Krug may have turned it down for other reasons, like his role diminishing because of McAvoy becoming a stud. Theres no guarantee detroit would have to beat that offer for him to come play close to home

 

[Hen Kolland]

Why are people here thinking Krug is the best and only option for a decent, veteran, puck-moving D?

Because he is the best, and therefore the only option for a veteran puck moving D. You can float Pietrangelo's name out there, but he will command more than Krug, with interest coming from top flight competitive teams.

If you are getting into the discussion of UFAs and want to test the waters, dive in head first. No need to dip your toe. Dipping your toe gets you Trevor Daley.

 

[Tetsuo]

I think the very small odds of Krug somehow screwing up the wings cap structure going forward are outweighed by having a great puck mover to help all the young players develop. Hes going to help guys like Zadina, Larkin, the 4th overall this year produce on the PP and get the puck to them at 5 on 5. Hes also going to have some hand in helping Hronek and Seider develop even more offensively.

The wings D was bad last year, I'm not even slightly against improving it to help the young guys improve. Do we really need to have another season with the quality of D of Biega, Daley and others playing big minutes?

Yup, we gotta improve somehow. If a top 5 PPQB wants to play on our team we can't afford to not sign him. I get not wanting a bad contract, but stockpiling picks and never signing good vets will extend our rebuild far, far into the future. I don't want to see posts a few years down the line suggesting we trade Zadina because he won't fit our timeline.

 

[RedMenace]

Because he is the best, and therefore the only option for a veteran puck moving D. You can float Pietrangelo's name out there, but he will command more than Krug, with interest coming from top flight competitive teams.

If you are getting into the discussion of UFAs and want to test the waters, dive in head first. No need to dip your toe. Dipping your toe gets you Trevor Daley.

And overpaying Krug gets you... well, an overpaid Krug.

 

[Unfriendly Ghost]

This must just come down to how much you actually value Krug. I know he's a great PP guy, but I've just seen him get abused a lot defensively. And then that game where he basically just threw a fit? I think I'm good.

Okay, I could live with that maybe if you can get him for just a couple of years. But should they roll out the red carpet for him like a hometown hero and give him like 60 mil? No way.

 

[Frk It]

I like Krug on this team for the same reason I want to draft Perfetti and Raymond.

He will get our goal scorers (Zadina/Mantha) the puck in prime scoring areas. Confidence is super important to the development of young goal scorers. Krug is a very high end player in the offensive zone and will make those guys life considerably easier.

 

[Hen Kolland]

And overpaying Krug gets you... well, an overpaid Krug.

Who is overpaying Krug? Your question wasn't "why is overpaying Krug the only option?" it was "why is Krug the only veteran UFA defense option?" And I answered it. Krug is the only person worth entertaining, and if you have to flat out overpay for Krug, then you just don't sign anyone. It's a pretty f***ing logical concept. If I can sign a player who makes my team materially better, I will do it assuming the deal is solid. If the player doesn't make us materially better, or wants too much, I'll pass.

 

[Pavels Dog]

It's not going to be the 1 million we don't have to sign other players. It's going to be the 7+ million that could be used to sign a UFA that is a better fit and more complete player or taken on a cap dump that won't be possible because its locked on Krug. Cap flexibility is a powerful thing and it goes away faster than people think. At the stage the roster is in now there is no reason to consume cap when its going to a player that is not a cornerstone in your core.

We can sign Krug and still have 7+ million available for other big free agents in coming years. And probably take on cap dumps too if we want to keep sucking.

 

[Lil Sebastian Cossa]

And overpaying Krug gets you... well, an overpaid Krug.

That's right... never try signing any FA player. Not unless you're signing him to flip for an oh so valuable third round pick.

 

[Dotter]

Torey Krug is a few years younger than Marc Staal... let's give him a 7 year full NMC deal!!!!

$7.5 million per yr sound good?

 

[RedMenace]

Who is overpaying Krug? Your question wasn't "why is overpaying Krug the only option?" it was "why is Krug the only veteran UFA defense option?" And I answered it. Krug is the only person worth entertaining, and if you have to flat out overpay for Krug, then you just don't sign anyone. It's a pretty f***ing logical concept. If I can sign a player who makes my team materially better, I will do it assuming the deal is solid. If the player doesn't make us materially better, or wants too much, I'll pass.

That's a fair rebuttal to which I have no reply.

That's right... never try signing any FA player. Not unless you're signing him to flip for an oh so valuable third round pick.

I don't think I've ever advocated here, or anywhere, that signing a UFA is a bad idea.

I just really dislike Torey f***ing Krug.

If we sign him to a fair deal and he knocks it out of the park, I'll eat a hat. Or a crow. Or nibble on a piece of tanned leather. Whichever.

 

[Lil Sebastian Cossa]

That's a fair rebuttal to which I have no reply.



I don't think I've ever advocated here, or anywhere, that signing a UFA is a bad idea.

I just really dislike Torey f***ing Krug.

If we sign him to a fair deal and he knocks it out of the park, I'll eat a hat. Or a crow. Or nibble on a piece of tanned leather. Whichever.

No, that's reasonable. Yours just happened to be the most recent in the "don't sign this guy" chain. You're perfectly fine to not like Krug. He has faults and it's why Detroit even has a prayer of signing him with where they are at.

I'm just continuously annoyed by the apathy about signing guys because "oh man, we might have a bad contract if we sign them." Like for Krug? He may be an all-offense, PP specialist that we've overpaid. Or, he could be a really good NHL player and we actually add a legitimate puck mover instead of hoping to god that Madison Bowey doesn't score on us by tripping over himself or Danny DeKeyser doesn't have his vertebrae all spontaneously combust and turn to dust by trying to be what he isn't. I just think the Wings NEED a puck mover with skill. It's not a "nice to have" or "if we can find a bargain basement good deal". I'm sick of seeing offensive rushes not even start because we can't clear the zone. Or if we do clear the zone, it's because Madison Bowey has completely ignored defense and we get an odd man rush the other way. I want to see the Wings' young players actually be able to play competitive hockey and not be chasing the play around the rink. I think a lot of their players would actually improve a great deal if they could just get someone with a prayer of getting them the puck in an advantageous position.

 

[RedMenace]

No, that's reasonable. Yours just happened to be the most recent in the "don't sign this guy" chain. You're perfectly fine to not like Krug. He has faults and it's why Detroit even has a prayer of signing him with where they are at.

I'm just continuously annoyed by the apathy about signing guys because "oh man, we might have a bad contract if we sign them." Like for Krug? He may be an all-offense, PP specialist that we've overpaid. Or, he could be a really good NHL player and we actually add a legitimate puck mover instead of hoping to god that Madison Bowey doesn't score on us by tripping over himself or Danny DeKeyser doesn't have his vertebrae all spontaneously combust and turn to dust by trying to be what he isn't. I just think the Wings NEED a puck mover with skill. It's not a "nice to have" or "if we can find a bargain basement good deal". I'm sick of seeing offensive rushes not even start because we can't clear the zone. Or if we do clear the zone, it's because Madison Bowey has completely ignored defense and we get an odd man rush the other way. I want to see the Wings' young players actually be able to play competitive hockey and not be chasing the play around the rink. I think a lot of their players would actually improve a great deal if they could just get someone with a prayer of getting them the puck in an advantageous position.

No, I definitely get the frustration.

Trust me.

 

[jkutswings]

You can float Pietrangelo's name out there, but he will command more than Krug, with interest coming from top flight competitive teams.

Now we're talking. Hand that guy a blank check, all this Krug nonsense goes away.

Like you said, if you're going UFA, then land a guy who will really help. I don't want Krug because I view him as a second pair defenseman (first pair offense, third pair defense). And that's not the level of player that I want to roll out a 7 year deal for.

In a way, I liken Krug to Mike Green when the Wings first signed him. A guy who's kinda one-dimensional, and belongs on 2-3 year deal. I think Krug is a bit better than Green circa 2016, so something like $8M x 3 is a deal I could handle, even if the player isn't my first choice, because if you ask him to be the leader of this defense, you're in for disappointment (just like when Green was asked to do too much).

Now Pietrangelo? That's serious man-crush territory. All situations, 25-30 minutes a game, erase the top line of the opposition, he can do it all.

He's the guy that can truly slot everybody else down in the lineup.
He's the guy that takes pressure off every defenseman in every role.
He's the guy that we thought we were going after in Suter.
He's the guy that we've been chasing since Lidstrom retired.
He's...THE GUY.

I'm not saying Detroit has a legit shot at getting Petro. But for the night and day difference in how I value the two players, I'd sooner go $12M x 7 for Pietrangelo than $7M x 7 for Krug.

 

[Ghost of Ethan Hunt]

If AP would sign for $9.5 x 7, I'd do it. The 1st 4 years of decent value, then less afterwards.

His highest offer may only be ~$9 & that's probably from only 1-2 other teams. I think he ends up in VGK or back in STL. COL with an outside shot, though they have the capspace. I'd laugh if he went to TOR, they'd have spent ($68m for 4F, 3D, 1G) so ~$13.5 to fill 15 spots.

 

[Pavels Dog]

Now we're talking. Hand that guy a blank check, all this Krug nonsense goes away.

Like you said, if you're going UFA, then land a guy who will really help. I don't want Krug because I view him as a second pair defenseman (first pair offense, third pair defense). And that's not the level of player that I want to roll out a 7 year deal for.

In a way, I liken Krug to Mike Green when the Wings first signed him. A guy who's kinda one-dimensional, and belongs on 2-3 year deal. I think Krug is a bit better than Green circa 2016, so something like $8M x 3 is a deal I could handle, even if the player isn't my first choice, because if you ask him to be the leader of this defense, you're in for disappointment (just like when Green was asked to do too much).

Now Pietrangelo? That's serious man-crush territory. All situations, 25-30 minutes a game, erase the top line of the opposition, he can do it all.

He's the guy that can truly slot everybody else down in the lineup.
He's the guy that takes pressure off every defenseman in every role.
He's the guy that we thought we were going after in Suter.
He's the guy that we've been chasing since Lidstrom retired.
He's...THE GUY.

I'm not saying Detroit has a legit shot at getting Petro. But for the night and day difference in how I value the two players, I'd sooner go $12M x 7 for Pietrangelo than $7M x 7 for Krug.

Difference is when we signed Green the entire rest of our D was declining and we had little in terms of prospects on the way.

Krug would not be "the man", he'd be a man, one cog in the machinery. We hope Seider can be "the guy", or that we draft Drysdale/Sanderson to be "the guy". We hope McIsaac or Johansson or Lindstrom or Tuomisto or others can play a role.
Krug is a help for all those players, someone that keeps us from rushing prospects, gives guys like Seider/Hronek/etc. an experienced talent to play with.

I would certainly be interested in Pietrangelo as well, I just see it as much less realistic and that kind of signing would also make more sense to me if we were truly a #1D away from contending.