Rumor: Krug's Rights to be traded. DRW in running

[Henkka]

Yeah leaving out McAvoy, Carlo and Pasta seems a little silly.

I get that they will be older, totally see that problem. Let's not forget they have a 22 #1 D-man and 24 year-old top 10 player in the league. Seems like that will be kind of important as these other guys get older.

They will drop to mediocrity, like every long-term contender.

And like Red Wings with multiple high pick in-a-row, becomes a contender.

Really shouldn't be news for anyone in here. Boston has been one of the best re-tooling team, but still, they are gonna struggle for a while pretty soon.

 

[MBH]

Green's last two years in Washington he put up 38 and 45 points playing 70 and 72 games. His first three years in Detroit he put up 35, 36, 33 playing 74, 72, 66 games. Then injuries set in and he began seeing a lot fewer games. His production the first few years here, when he was healthy, doesn't look way out of line from what he put up his last two years in Washington, when he was healthy. Or at least when he played the vast majority of games.

Krug might not work out here, maybe it would be a bad signing, but I'm not really buying into the doom and gloom of it.

Don't worry about it.
Stevie won't let it happen.
We'll be spared the doom and gloom.
That's a Ken Holland move.

How many 5'9 defensemen have you seen on Yzerman's rosters?

 

[MBH]

Petro is a legit all situations #1. It’s further than I would go, but I get your point.

Without a doubt. But this year is not the time for the UFA splash.
Let's get expansion out of the way.
Let's build picks. Let's develop youth.
And maybe next year, or the year after, is when you get serious about competing and add that big difference UFA.

Adding Krug right at anything less than a bargain (term and salary) is not really what we need.

 

[Ghost of Ethan Hunt]

I hope you're finger slipped and you meant to type 11.5x7. Pie is older than Krug and the last few years of his contract are pretty much guaranteed to be subpar, but $15M of cap right when the Wings start to be competitive on one older guy is too much. I understand what you're trying to be say but the hyperbole is a bit insane.

I say we flex our cap space muscles and offer Krug $10M for 4 years. It's almost the same amount of money as as 6.5x6 and if he wants to bet on himself still being a useful player for us in a few years we can re-up him at a reduced rate right as we get competitive. We can and should offer him full NMC and plentiful signing bonuses too.

It's actually $1M more than $6.5 x 6yrs. But I see your point. I doubt he gets more than $7.5m X 6yrs ($45m) from any GM, I could be way off though, GM's get crazy in UFA, even in a flat cap world, it only takes 1.

 

[Tetsuo]

It's actually $1M more than $6.5 x 6yrs. But I see your point. I doubt he gets more than $7.5m X 6yrs ($45m) from any GM, I could be way off though, GM's get crazy in UFA, even in a flat cap world, it only takes 1.

See: Skinner, Jeff.

Believe me, I have open eyes on Krug, but I think he will make the Wings more watchable the next few years and that's something I would be okay with my team paying a premium to cultivate. I also think he'll help our young guys out a lot as he's widely respected among other players and around the league. Krug is miles ahead of where Green was when he signed on here.

 

[Pavels Dog]

Without a doubt. But this year is not the time for the UFA splash.
Let's get expansion out of the way.
Let's build picks. Let's develop youth.
And maybe next year, or the year after, is when you get serious about competing and add that big difference UFA.

Adding Krug right at anything less than a bargain (term and salary) is not really what we need.

We need good players. If Krug is a good player and available to us, he is a good fit. It's really not more complicated than that.

We're also in a rare position where we absolutely can overpay on salary and term. You always prefer to see a bargain, but even a really big contract would have very low risk of being an issue for us.

 

[Debrincat93]

Give me your plan on what you want to use the cap space for alternatively.

why do you have to use the cap space?
use it to weaponize yourself with picks and let some kids develop.
by the time you need a Krug, Krug himself would be on the back-end of his career.

remember this, him in Boston will be much different in Detroit. He doesnt have that incredible team in front of him to buy him time, space, make better plays, etc. i think a lot of people dont realize this when assessing players.

if you think Pietrangelo in STL will be the same guy on a team like Florida, Detroit, Ottawa, New Jersey then that person is delusional. Sometimes it works, but it mostly works when a player goes from a moderate situation to a very good situation. you dont see many studs going from Very good situations to bad situations and play better.

my plan for using the cap, weaponize it with another Staal like trade, wheel both of them at the deadline and re-do it again next year. wasting it to waste it is dumb.

 

[Debrincat93]

Yeah and he also turned it down and at it.

because hes going to see what else is out there.
maybe he hits the market, notices no one good will give him the money to make leaving worthwhile and he stays still, who knows..

i think 6.5 per is max for Krug. He's a small guy and in a bad situation, like detroit, he will get hit a lot and exposed. he's a damn good player, but hes a damn good player on a good team. will he be a damn good player on a horrible or moderate team? maybe. would i ake that chance on someone who's 5'8? hmm.. idk.

 

[Ricelund]

“Weaponize” is 2020’s “short list”.

 

[Frk It]

why do you have to use the cap space?
use it to weaponize yourself with picks and let some kids develop.
by the time you need a Krug, Krug himself would be on the back-end of his career.

remember this, him in Boston will be much different in Detroit. He doesnt have that incredible team in front of him to buy him time, space, make better plays, etc. i think a lot of people dont realize this when assessing players.

if you think Pietrangelo in STL will be the same guy on a team like Florida, Detroit, Ottawa, New Jersey then that person is delusional. Sometimes it works, but it mostly works when a player goes from a moderate situation to a very good situation. you dont see many studs going from Very good situations to bad situations and play better.

my plan for using the cap, weaponize it with another Staal like trade, wheel both of them at the deadline and re-do it again next year. wasting it to waste it is dumb.

We are not going to re-build this team solely with our draft picks + cap dumps. Not with the lottery making 1-2 picks near impossible to get, and with the fail rate on draft picks in rounds 2-7. There’s no way in hell.

Most drafts have maybe ~1 defenseman in the entire draft that puts up points like Krug can.

 

[MBH]

We need good players. If Krug is a good player and available to us, he is a good fit. It's really not more complicated than that.

We're also in a rare position where we absolutely can overpay on salary and term. You always prefer to see a bargain, but even a really big contract would have very low risk of being an issue for us.

Yeah, it is more complicated than that.

And it's absolutely terrible to overpay/overextend people.
Guess what.
In 5 years, when Zadina, Mantha, Larkin, Bertuzzi, Rasmussen, Hronek, Seider and who knows who else are making money, that money to 35 year old Krug will seem like a waste.

 

[Lazlo Hollyfeld]

Yeah, it is more complicated than that.

And it's absolutely terrible to overpay/overextend people.
Guess what.
In 5 years, when Zadina, Mantha, Larkin, Bertuzzi, Rasmussen, Hronek, Seider and who knows who else are making money, that money to 35 year old Krug will seem like a waste.

Though in 5 years there's a good chance at least a couple of those guys won't be on the Wings.

I'm kind of on the fence re: Krug and as I said before I think it's all hypothetical because he's likely not signing with Detroit. But I think us Wings fans all have some PTSD about overpaying players due to contracts like Abdelkader's. As long as the Wings don't have a handful of those deals like they did recently, I don't see it crippling the team.

 

[MBH]

Though in 5 years there's a good chance at least a couple of those guys won't be on the Wings.

I'm kind of on the fence re: Krug and as I said before I think it's all hypothetical because he's likely not signing with Detroit. But I think us Wings fans all have some PTSD about overpaying players due to contracts like Abdelkader's. As long as the Wings don't have a handful of those deals like they did recently, I don't see it crippling the team.

It just reeks of a desperation move. I don't see Yzerman making that move.
I'd rather have Cholo taking a regular shift this year with Dekeyser and Nemeth (or Staal).
When we make the waiver decision on Cholo next year, I'd rather be sure about it.

I just don't see a ton of upside to a Krug signing.
We're going to be bad, either way. Why are we gifting a huge, long contract to someone who a good team with cap room doesn't seem to want very much?

 

[Retire91]

Just because we have cap space doesn't mean we need to use it. The wings are better using cap space right now to take on bad contracts in exchange for picks or prospects. Every move made right now should be made with one glairing primary question in mind "how does this move look in 4 years". In four years a Krug deal is going to be an atrocity. In the short term a 5.9" powerplay specialist is going to get destroyed by the opposition playing number 1 minutes with no one to play behind. The guy is wrong now and in the future on almost every aspect of the deal except "he is good" and "we have the cap space" I don't want to pay 7 million dollars for 6 years of the next whipping boy. 3 years of "TFK", and then 3 more years of "ouch that contract". The short sighted crowd needs to take a step back and let the rebuild crowd help you help yourselves.

Sorry this deal doing relatively nothing in the short term ,but providing an occasional above average outlet pass, and being bad in the long term kills DOA for me. He is not good enough to lock up that much salary for that kind of term when he is not a complete player and not in the core age group.

 

[Pavels Dog]

Yeah, it is more complicated than that.

And it's absolutely terrible to overpay/overextend people.
Guess what.
In 5 years, when Zadina, Mantha, Larkin, Bertuzzi, Rasmussen, Hronek, Seider and who knows who else are making money, that money to 35 year old Krug will seem like a waste.

If we play our cards right, at least a few of them can be on bargain contracts.
And one bad contract 5 years from now is a good situation.
I think it’s a really low priority concern, and again I’m not even a big fan of Krug.

Bad contracts can be moved, and if we need to move him in 5 years, so be it. We will never get better without trying to. Loui Eriksson’s contract is unbelievably bad and that hurt Vancouver how?

 

[MBH]

If we play our cards right, at least a few of them can be on bargain contracts.
And one bad contract 5 years from now is a good situation.
I think it’s a really low priority concern, and again I’m not even a big fan of Krug.

Bad contracts can be moved, and if we need to move him in 5 years, so be it. We will never get better without trying to. Loui Eriksson’s contract is unbelievably bad and that hurt Vancouver how?

Bad contracts can be moved.
They can also not be signed.
I prefer the latter.

There's no need to take this risk right now. None.
We will get better without Krug.
And when we get better, I'd rather not be hamstrung by weak-ass signings from the bad-old days. I'd rather have that money when we're on that bubble... to make a strategic move.
Maybe if we're pretty decent then, we won't need to overpay said player to fill in.
We'll know better in 2-3-4 years what we need to get over the hump then we will know today.

 

[odin1981]

Another point worth bringing up is with the trend of elite RFA's seemingly getting paid on second contracts as off late, signing Krug at a overpay can cap us out much earlier than anticipated. Say we get a Power or a Wright in the next 2 year's or another similar type player. They go out and kick ass and take name's their first three year's, well then we are paying 9+m per year on them and they aren't cheap any more. In addition to Mantha, Hronek, and Bert not being on ELC's it can add up fast.

 

[ManwithNoIdentity]

I’m genuinely baffled by people against Krug when we a) have a substantial amount of cap space and b) were going to rebuilding for 3- 4 more years c) are we supposed to just suck forever? You can’t only build through the draft no matter how much you want to think

 

[odin1981]

I’m genuinely baffled by people against Krug when we a) have a substantial amount of cap space and b) were going to rebuilding for 3- 4 more years c) are we supposed to just suck forever? You can’t only build through the draft no matter how much you want to think

We are too far off to start getting UFA's. Right now it's picks or trades. But the majority of what we want to keep player wise is the only thing other team's want. So trade's are not gonna happen that often until we get talent through the draft.

 

[Bench]

I’m genuinely baffled by people against Krug when we a) have a substantial amount of cap space and b) were going to rebuilding for 3- 4 more years c) are we supposed to just suck forever? You can’t only build through the draft no matter how much you want to think

By the time you're good building through the draft, uh oh, all your best pieces are now wanting big UFA deals. Well, we're still not great, better sell them off and keep the cycle going and going and going and going...

Our boys need help out there. Today. It doesn't mean we're going to be aiming for the playoffs, but let's at least try to ice a team that isn't getting wrecked in every single phase of the game. Give our young guys a chance to actually develop their game rather than spend every shift chasing the play.

 

[Pavels Dog]

Bad contracts can be moved.
They can also not be signed.
I prefer the latter.

There's no need to take this risk right now. None.
We will get better without Krug.
And when we get better, I'd rather not be hamstrung by weak-ass signings from the bad-old days. I'd rather have that money when we're on that bubble... to make a strategic move.
Maybe if we're pretty decent then, we won't need to overpay said player to fill in.
We'll know better in 2-3-4 years what we need to get over the hump then we will know today.

Signing Krug couldn’t have less risk than it does right now. Minimal chance to hurt us significantly. A 4-5 year deal I’d say essentially zero chance to hurt us. The old ”let’s wait on next year’s UFA class” we have heard for 10 years. If you have a shot, take it. Zero guarantees to be able to add a player like Krug in UFA at any point on the next 2-3-4 years.

 

[raymond23]

I’m genuinely baffled by people against Krug when we a) have a substantial amount of cap space and b) were going to rebuilding for 3- 4 more years c) are we supposed to just suck forever? You can’t only build through the draft no matter how much you want to think

By the time you're good building through the draft, uh oh, all your best pieces are now wanting big UFA deals. Well, we're still not great, better sell them off and keep the cycle going and going and going and going...

Our boys need help out there. Today. It doesn't mean we're going to be aiming for the playoffs, but let's at least try to ice a team that isn't getting wrecked in every single phase of the game. Give our young guys a chance to actually develop their game rather than spend every shift chasing the play.

Spot on imo.

Larkin, Mantha, Hronek, Bertuzzi are just the first wave. Next wave we have Seider, Zadina, Veleno, etc. Then another wave after that. And so on.

If we fit the right UFA pieces around these waves of incoming talent, we’re going to surprise some people in a few years. I honestly believe that.

 

[Retire91]

How do you add UFA to a team that doesn't even have an established core? You have no idea what these "waves" are going to bring and where the holes are. You can't round out a roster when the roster doesn't even exist. This couldn't be a more wrong time for UFA and I simply don't know how to underscore it any more clearly than its own obviousness. The only UFA I would be comfortable singing is a goalie or someone in Larkin's age group and even if we don't I am good.

If you want to get clean through rehab then you have to go through rehab. You can't just pay someone to go to rehab for you. We can't sign our way out of the gutter with slightly above average UFA and locking up a 30 year old player for 7 million 6 years or more right now is insane.

The best way to get out of a bad contract is not to sign one

 

[Henkka]

How do you add UFA to a team that doesn't even have an established core? You have no idea what these "waves" are going to bring and where the holes are. You can't round out a roster when the roster doesn't even exist. This couldn't be a more wrong time for UFA and I simply don't know how to underscore it any more clearly than its obviousness. The only UFA I would be comfortable singing is a goalie or someone in Larkin's age group and even if we don't I am good.

If you want to get clean through rehab then you have to go through rehab. You can't just pay someone to go to rehab for you. We can't sign our way out of the gutter with slightly above average UFA and locking up a 30 year old player for 7 million 6 years or more right now is insane.

Absolutely disagree totally with this nonsense.

You have to start from something. Insanity is the status quo and wait only for prospects to develop, for what, 8 year to catch the prime? You need them to develop in the mix, but also need elite players around them, so they can get a taste from elite passing, etc. Learn winning things from winners.

Adding players like Krug, maybe some trade with Tampa to acquire a center (Cirelli? or Gourde) does another step. Starting goaltender maybe makes the biggest one, if that's level of Markström.

You build this team better piece by piece. Sign UFAs, bring in kids, trade for needed spots, sell unneeded vets at the deadline for future picks. Rinse and repeat.

 

[ManwithNoIdentity]

We are too far off to start getting UFA's. Right now it's picks or trades. But the majority of what we want to keep player wise is the only thing other team's want. So trade's are not gonna happen that often until we get talent through the draft.

lol what? This couldn’t be more wrong. This team is literally unwatchable. We have 20 + mil in cap space with a good majority of all of our bad contracts expiring

too far often to start through UFA? Uh we couldn’t be in any better position to start doing that now

You cannot build a team through just the draft. We HAVE been getting picks and futures for 2 years already, you can’t ice a literally unwatchable team while you wait for those pieces to fall into place