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[Tnuoc Alucard]

That was his point. Tampa's previous owner was crap, and so were attendance #s etc.

Ownership changed and they dumped a tonne of money into their front office/marketing/branding and iced a cap-ceiling team. The franchise did a complete 180.

That's what Ottawa needs. I just wish it could happen before we lose the most polarizing player to ever put on a Senators Jersey.

If any owner, steps up to the plate, and invests his/her own money into the hockey operations of a franchise, the fans that were not coming to games, will also have to step up and buy ST or Ticket packages etc. otherwise nothing changes, as ticket revenue is still the largest piece of the HRR pie, by far.

 

[MiscBrah]

If any owner, steps up to the plate, and invests his/her own money into the hockey operations of a franchise, the fans that were not coming to games, will also have to step up and buy ST or Ticket packages etc. otherwise nothing changes, as ticket revenue is still the largest piece of the HRR pie, by far.

And? What's the point here? We heard years ago that the Sens made money without making the playoffs. Things were good, Melynk didn't interfere, we had an exciting young group of players coming up through the system, made the playoffs, etc.

What has changed? Oh yeah, Meylnk decided to run his mouth every chance he got and strip the team down to a skeleton crew due to his ridiculous "cost per point" metric that he likes to use. Which I don't entirely disagree with, spending ridiculous amounts on role players like Clarkson, that guy out of Anaheim who had a great playoffs in his contract year, and others is a total waste of money. However, if you take "cost per point" to the extreme you end up with an extremely disengaged fan base who can see the organization crumbling around them. Melynk isn't playing moneyball, he's playing the lottery balls.

 

[Karl Prime]

They are out to lunch... as usual...

We were 24th in attendance avg last season with one of the worst debacle in NHL history
100% on the owner to accuse the fanbase
Dracula will Dracula though

And attendance was in top half of the league for a good decade plus prior to 2014, no?

There's no doubt a move to LeBreton needs to be made but it's not like a new owner won't facilitate a move there. (I haven't been following the development of that situation recently.)

 

[MiscBrah]

And attendance was in top half of the league for a good decade plus prior to 2014, no?

There's no doubt a move to LeBreton needs to be made but it's not like a new owner won't facilitate a move there. (I haven't been following the development of that situation recently.)

Melynk says he's not building the arena and everything else he promised unless the condos in the surrounding area are prohibited.

 

[Jorge Garcia]

Former pharma tycoon Melnyk acts very much like a guy who can't afford to own an NHL team.

 

[Langdon Alger]

Colin Miller just re-signed with Vegas. I guess we’re not getting him if Karlsson goes there. Theodore it is!

 

[Daffy]

Colin Miller just re-signed with Vegas. I guess we’re not getting him if Karlsson goes there. Theodore it is!

Quite the opposite I think. I could see Dorion wanted Miller locked up long term to a reasonable deal before a trade was made.

 

[Langdon Alger]

Quite the opposite I think. I could see Dorion wanted Miller locked up long term to a reasonable deal before a trade was made.

Possible, but I just wonder if Vegas would do that to Miller. Signing a guy and then trading him is a dick move unless he knows that’s what’s going to happen. Like what Muckler did to Hossa. I think if Miller was coming here, he’d be traded and then we would sign him.

 

[Daffy]

Possible, but I just wonder if Vegas would do that to Miller. Signing a guy and then trading him is a dick move unless he knows that’s what’s going to happen. Like what Muckler did to Hossa. I think if Miller was coming here, he’d be traded and then we would sign him.

Very possible too. I just think there are some shady gms out there. And with an opportunity to acquire Karlsson, I'm not sure how much McPhee cares about hurt feelings. We'll see. And I'd rather Theodore anyways.

 

[Daffy]

Alright guys. Last time I went to the movies, Duchene got traded to us while I was in the theatre. I felt my phone buzzing the whole movie and I had a feeling. I'm on my way to see Jurassic Park now so Karl is about to get dealt.

 

[DJB]

I dont have my hopes up for Miller

 

[BigRig4]

I think Miller is one of the most underrated players in the league, would be ecstatic if he was part of a potential vegas return.

 

[Langdon Alger]

I dont have my hopes up for Miller

Do you have your hopes up there will be a deal soon?

 

[Silencio]

Very possible too. I just think there are some shady gms out there. And with an opportunity to acquire Karlsson, I'm not sure how much McPhee cares about hurt feelings. We'll see. And I'd rather Theodore anyways.

Yeah McPhee definitely gives off a cutthroat "bizness is bizness" vibe.

 

[Dino Tkachuk]

And? What's the point here? We heard years ago that the Sens made money without making the playoffs. Things were good, Melynk didn't interfere, we had an exciting young group of players coming up through the system, made the playoffs, etc.

What has changed? Oh yeah, Meylnk decided to run his mouth every chance he got and strip the team down to a skeleton crew due to his ridiculous "cost per point" metric that he likes to use. Which I don't entirely disagree with, spending ridiculous amounts on role players like Clarkson, that guy out of Anaheim who had a great playoffs in his contract year, and others is a total waste of money. However, if you take "cost per point" to the extreme you end up with an extremely disengaged fan base who can see the organization crumbling around them. Melynk isn't playing moneyball, he's playing the lottery balls.

The salary cap more than doubled. How much have ticket prices increased in that time? Serious question. I honestly don't know...

 

[6stringmofo]

I posted this in the main public thread. It applies here.




Sadly, I've been quietly following this thread full of bad offers and talk of magic beans. EK65 is my favorite player, a generational talent with the skill and vision to drag a mediocre team too within one goal of the SCF.

Last year was a shit show for the Senators, a bad locker room equals a bad team (no matter how much skill you have).

If your team is not willing to trade a premium for this player then your team doesn't deserve him.

I'd rather not trade him, play out his contract in the hopes that PD can fix the locker room and have a decent season in the hopes that EK can be convinced to stay as TB did with Stamkos. We have the prospects to move forward, and some dam good ones that might turn into quality NHL'ers.

I'm no fan of PD, but I don't hate him either. Hopefully he doesn't do anything foolish and shows patience. Hopefully EK sees that the Senators are still his team and decides he want's to stay.

Notice the use of the word hope a couple times.

 

[BankStreetParade]

The salary cap more than doubled. How much have ticket prices increased in that time? Serious question. I honestly don't know...

I've posted sources before but Ottawa has one of the cheapest averages in the league for prices and one of the lowest secondary market prices in the NHL. They are last for Canadian teams by a fair sized margin and they don't sell out. Worst possible combination.

 

[danielpalfredsson]

I don't think Miller being extended disqualifies him from being traded.

Teams still have to operate as if the Karlsson trade may not happen. So unless things were super close between VGK and OTT, it might not be smart to be putting off the extension of an arbitration eligible player in hopes of including him in the Karlsson deal.

A shrewd move by Vegas if they prefer to keep Theodore would have been front loading Miller's contract and giving him a signing bonus in the first year. Structure it like 6/3.167/3.167/3.167 with 5 million in signing bonuses in year 1. All of a sudden, Ottawa would be looking at Miller making 9.5M spread over four seasons which would have a real money AAV of 2.375M.

If Vegas did that, all of a sudden Miller not only looks more appealing than Theodore since everything with our team always comes back to money, but maybe they gain leverage to demand an additional asset that was in the ask be downgraded or removed entirely from the trade.

 

[6stringmofo]

I've posted sources before but Ottawa has one of the cheapest averages in the league for prices and one of the lowest secondary market prices in the NHL. They are last for Canadian teams by a fair sized margin and they don't sell out. Worst possible combination.

I'm in the military and work with a lot of public servants.

The Phoenix Pay system is a real problem.

 

[Agent Zub]

And? What's the point here? We heard years ago that the Sens made money without making the playoffs. Things were good, Melynk didn't interfere, we had an exciting young group of players coming up through the system, made the playoffs, etc.

What has changed? Oh yeah, Meylnk decided to run his mouth every chance he got and strip the team down to a skeleton crew due to his ridiculous "cost per point" metric that he likes to use. Which I don't entirely disagree with, spending ridiculous amounts on role players like Clarkson, that guy out of Anaheim who had a great playoffs in his contract year, and others is a total waste of money. However, if you take "cost per point" to the extreme you end up with an extremely disengaged fan base who can see the organization crumbling around them. Melynk isn't playing moneyball, he's playing the lottery balls.

feels like he's become even more emboldened because of the success of Vegas

 

[BankStreetParade]

I'm in the military and work with a lot of public servants.

The Phoenix Pay system is a real problem.

You know, I always hear this used as a major excuse but I've never had anyone breakdown the numbers for me. How many people does this effect in the government? What percentage of people impacted by the pay issues are Senators ticket buyers?

What about the rest of the paying fanbase, like: teachers, engineers, doctors, nurses, lawyers, tech workers, business owners, etc.?

Who is this team's average ticket buyer? What is their profile?

The Sens have never had a high season ticket base. It's been a struggle year after year to engage 10,000 ticket package buyers. The last couple of years might be considered outliers as the owner continues to create distance between himself and paying fans but apart from that the same issues have always been around. This is still a fanbase that has always valued selling their tickets on our biggest rivalry nights and allowing Toronto and Montreal fans to pack our arena than attend the game themselves. All this despite having some of the cheapest tickets in the NHL. So cost isn't a barrier to entry.

I think the easiest excuse is to say Melnyk is the problem without acknowledging that this market's support of the Senators has always been average at best.

 

[Canadian Time]

Roy Mlakar understood this market better than anyone. I had a couple of conversations with him, he would say that you can't just open the doors here and expect it to fill up, you had to "give the fans a reason to come and they will". He really was a sharp guy. The Redblacks management understand this perfectly too, make the fans proud to be fans and they will respond. It's the furthest thing from a bad market, but it does need to be caressed. Melnyk has never really understood this market and to be honest, that's ok, but make sure you hire people that do. I had high hopes for Anselmi but as soon as I read about the tarped seats I knew he wasn't the guy, just an MBA marketing guy.

I really think Roy should come back.

 

[Langdon Alger]

Alright guys. Last time I went to the movies, Duchene got traded to us while I was in the theatre. I felt my phone buzzing the whole movie and I had a feeling. I'm on my way to see Jurassic Park now so Karl is about to get dealt.

Don’t think that’s happening this time. Hope the movie was good. I saw Jurassic Park in the theatre too. 25 years ago.

 

[Flamingo]

You know, I always hear this used as a major excuse but I've never had anyone breakdown the numbers for me. How many people does this effect in the government? What percentage of people impacted by the pay issues are Senators ticket buyers?

What about the rest of the paying fanbase, like: teachers, engineers, doctors, nurses, lawyers, tech workers, business owners, etc.?

Who is this team's average ticket buyer? What is their profile?

The Sens have never had a high season ticket base. It's been a struggle year after year to engage 10,000 ticket package buyers. The last couple of years might be considered outliers as the owner continues to create distance between himself and paying fans but apart from that the same issues have always been around. This is still a fanbase that has always valued selling their tickets on our biggest rivalry nights and allowing Toronto and Montreal fans to pack our arena than attend the game themselves. All this despite having some of the cheapest tickets in the NHL. So cost isn't a barrier to entry.

I think the easiest excuse is to say Melnyk is the problem without acknowledging that this market's support of the Senators has always been average at best.

Every Federal employee I've talked to, about a dozen of them, has been impacted.

One of my work colleagues left our private company for a federal job this year. He worked there for three months before seeing his first paycheck. And the first paycheck was in the wrong amount, too little. And he can't sign on to the online pay stub system yet.

 

[BankStreetParade]

Every Federal employee I've talked to, about a dozen of them, has been impacted.

One of my work colleagues left our private company for a federal job this year. He worked there for three months before seeing his first paycheck. And the first paycheck was in the wrong amount, too little. And he can't sign on to the online pay stub system yet.

Yes, I understand what the problem is. Can you speak to any of the other questions that I asked?

How many people does this effect in the government?
What percentage of people impacted by the pay issues are Senators ticket buyers?
What about the rest of the paying fanbase, like: teachers, engineers, doctors, nurses, lawyers, tech workers, business owners, etc.?
Who is this team's average ticket buyer? What is their profile?

It's easy to say the Phoenix Pay system is a disaster and it's impacting Sens ticket sales, but unless 100% of the Senators paying fanbase are employed by the GoC I don't understand what's happening with the rest of the potential ticket buyers.