Cole Caulifield
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Player Discussion Karl Alzner: He Left and They Won
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Cole Caulifield
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We don't actually know that. For all we know it was MB trying to raise the stakes with Lucic so another GM would sign a bad contract.. or only trying to appear as if he wanted him to placate Gallagher and the BC boys who are friends of Lucic.
We have no clue at all how these negotiations really went and I think it's unfair to assume anything about that.
Why don't we stick to real slights instead of imagined ones ?
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A bit far fetched don’t you think?
It seemed pretty clear what happened, Lucic said himself it was a difficult decision because Montreal offer was really good.
Anyway, not hating, I actually don’t want Bergevin gone for now. Think he is an ok GM now and not sure who would be an obvious better candidate. Don’t want another rookie French GM.
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He was brutal for a while. Caps fans were counting down the days until he was gone.
For all the "armchair GM" backhanded comments by the usual high horse posters around here, the so called 'haters' sure knew Alzner was shit long before the "professionals".
Makes you wonder wtf our pro scouts are even doing if they can't identify one of the worst defensemen in the NHL.
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Just wanted to say he's absolutely terrible. Its embarassing. How anyone paid money to evaluate hockey thought he'd be worth that contract, or even 25% that contract is beyond me. I would be ashamed to accept that paycheck if I were him.
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Wak Prescott the 40M/yr fraud, here we gooo!
Come on man, you'd happily cash it like anyone in their right mind would. He's an atrocious hockey player but the ridiculous contract is 100% on MB, not him. The guy hit the jackpot because of an incompetent GM who's bad at his job, I say good for him and his family.
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4.8 million for 5 years. Not too many have a hard job accepting it
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Cole Caulifield
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You can say it's far fetched, but do you know for sure ? The truth is that we don't know how serious Bergevin was. Did Lucic have a signed by MB contract in hand and all he had to do was also put his signature at the bottom ? Or did MB just talk with him and give him a figure ? Or sent him an unsigned contract with the number ? All of these scenarios mean vastly different things. All I'm saying is that we don't know what really happened and it's quite unfair to judge Bergevin on something we know so little about.
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angusyoung
Back in the day, I was always horny!
Guessing it's a good things he's gone then. If I remember correctly though,was he not highly appreciated when he came in?
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Paraphrasing....
How surprised were you [about Alzner going to AHL]? What did make about working with him?
JJ: That's probably one player I don't want to talk about.
So..it didn't click between you?
JJ: Karl is not a player...(pause)...I don't have much to say about Karl. (Melnick quickly changes subjects).
Aaron Ward was on 690 talking to Melnick about the Alzner comments. He said he sniffed around re. Alzner/JJ and said he 'ran into a wall.' He did say 'if Alzner comes in and doesn't perform, that's a reflection on JJ.' Melnick noted how likable Alzner is, Ward said there can be personality clashes, 'it's like high school sometimes.'
Alzner was a terrible signing, no doubt. But JJD was an abject failure his entire coaching tenure in Montreal. My guess is that Alzner, a vet coming from another org, offered a differing opinion re. drills/strategy/gameplan vs just accepting whatever advice JJ had, and JJ didn't like it.
Alzner has handled all of this like a real pro. MB should have been fired for all of this, but.......
I would think Alzner will be back in the A this year, but it would be great to see a team pick him off waivers, or make a trade with the habs to pick him up, and the habs would retain some $$$
JJD was a terrible choice for a D coach..............we could have had Larry Robinson FFS, but Therrien was too insecure.
I would think Alzner will be back in the A this year, but it would be great to see a team pick him off waivers, or make a trade with the habs to pick him up, and the habs would retain some $$$
JJD was a terrible choice for a D coach..............we could have had Larry Robinson FFS, but Therrien was too insecure.
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When Alzner signed here. I watched some post from caps fans on this site, everybody tells that they were very happy to see him leave. That wasnt a good sign for us. If i compare with Ben Chiarot. From what i saw here. Most of jets fans would keep him but not at this price.. at least, Chiarot could be our next emelin and that will be allright because we miss grit
Chili
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Even though the Habs had no cases reach the arbiter, apparently they are still eligible for the short buyout window coming up (cap hit must be at least $3.45 million? i.e. Karl Alzner) because they had at least two players file for arbitration..
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mouser
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It only requires one player to file for arbitration. The "two players" requirement that gets thrown around from time to time is a misunderstanding.
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I'm hoping Alzner comes to camp in the best shape of his life and surprises us all by winning back a roster spot on the starting line-up.
Chili
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I did copy that off another site but I remember looking it up.
Two filings can come into play, though not the case here.
From Capfriendly
That's probably where the confusion rests.
Chili
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The point is that the option is there if they need some extra cap room to make space for an addition.
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