Kapanen or Johnsson

[Boutette]

I know this is hard to understand for someone like yourself, but a potential superstar like Nylander (who is already a star) will not be traded as a "cap casualty".

Even if you're getting the "young top-4 defenseman" that you want back (lol) we're not only getting fleeced, but we will become a worse team in the process.

Nylander will not be traded.

You seem confused. Why do you think that no GM in the NHL would agree to a reasonable trade for a potential superstar?

 

[araisarena]

we are blessed beyond measured. Johnsson and Kapanen are going to put up good numbers this year, and because they will have had 1 good season, Dubas will aim for a long term deal at cap friendly deals. If we can lock Kapanen under 3.5 and Johnsson around 3 at 3-5 year deal ranges, we can keep the core intact, move Marleau and be able to afford both. To resign Gardiner we probably need to move Zaitsev.

 

[Morgs]

You seem confused. Why do you think that no GM in the NHL would agree to a reasonable trade for a potential superstar?

Other than Ryan Johansen/Seth Jones, show me a trade where a team traded a young star forward and won the trade.

There's about 10 players in the NHL I'd trade Nylander for, and all of them are just as unavilable.

 

[tellermine]

Kapanen us just so versalite and has that fearless attitude with that amazing speed.
In a long playoffrun dudes like him can be quite important.

That said... well he is now quite valuable.and Leafs need that defender...

 

[Boutette]

Other than Ryan Johansen/Seth Jones, show me a trade where a team traded a young star forward and won the trade.

There's about 10 players in the NHL I'd trade Nylander for, and all of them are just as unavilable.

"just as..." interesting.

 

[thewave]

Wow, it's like Hyman or Nylander.

 

[Mats13]

And they weren't wrong.

they were very wrong. Straight up delusional.

 

[Swedish Gretzky]

Bumping this up

The fans have spoken

Leafs need to keep Kapanen long term in their organization. He's a keeper.

Tenacity, grit, goal scoring prowess with the elite speed to be successful in the coming years in this NHL.

Lock him up. I hope he wants to be a Leafs though

 

[AlexMaz]

Really glad we actually have something from the Kessel trade. Speed kills in this day and age.

 

[Swedish Gretzky]

Really glad we actually have something from the Kessel trade. Speed kills in this day and age.

Agreed. Kapanen has that scary spees though that teams plan differently when preparing. So does Nylander.

I hope Kappy can remain a Leaf. Seems like there are plenty of vultures around Scotia Bank arena because they anticipate one of the players will need to be let go due to cap crunch

 

[horner]

Both. Trade Nylander in the off-season

I agree

 

[Trapper]

Agreed. Kapanen has that scary spees though that teams plan differently when preparing. So does Nylander.

I hope Kappy can remain a Leaf. Seems like there are plenty of vultures around Scotia Bank arena because they anticipate one of the players will need to be let go due to cap crunch

This thread could very well be Kapanen, Nylander and Marner vs. Johnsson.

Say Kapanen turns into a yearly 30 + goal scorer for fun.
Marner and Nylander stay at the 20 with more assists/points obviously.

What do you pay a 30 + goal scorer and then who would you keep if you had to make a financial decision?

 

[TDotMassive]

This thread could very well be Kapanen, Nylander and Marner vs. Johnsson.

Say Kapanen turns into a yearly 30 + goal scorer for fun.
Marner and Nylander stay at the 20 with more assists/points obviously.

What do you pay a 30 + goal scorer and then who would you keep if you had to make a financial decision?

As of TODAY
Marner > Kapanen > Johnsson > Nylander

By season's end
Marner > Nylander > Kapanen > Johnsson

Marner is playing in another universe this year... Nylander might've been there, but he's not... cause dude missed camp + 2 months. Any way you dice it though, Marner and Nylander are significantly greater talents than Kapanen and Johnsson. You keep Marner over anyone on the team not named Matthews. Nylander is close behind, certainly ahead of Kappy and Johnsson, and I like both as players. They're a tier below those guys though.

Out of that group of 4, Johnsson is clearly the most expendable. Kappy next. Nylander after that... and Marner, you don't trade him unless Edmonton goes insane and offers up McDavid, or something similarly mental presents itself.

 

[Trapper]

As of TODAY
Marner > Kapanen > Johnsson > Nylander

By season's end
Marner > Nylander > Kapanen > Johnsson

Marner is playing in another universe this year... Nylander might've been there, but he's not... cause dude missed camp + 2 months. Any way you dice it though, Marner and Nylander are significantly greater talents than Kapanen and Johnsson. You keep Marner over anyone on the team not named Matthews. Nylander is close behind, certainly ahead of Kappy and Johnsson, and I like both as players. They're a tier below those guys though.

Out of that group of 4, Johnsson is clearly the most expendable. Kappy next. Nylander after that... and Marner, you don't trade him unless Edmonton goes insane and offers up McDavid, or something similarly mental presents itself.

Not sure about that.
Again I will have to see Nylander come playoff time plus all next year.
If I have 3 players:
1 30 + goal and 60 + points
2 20 some goals and anywhere between 70-85 points, I keep 1 goal scorer and make the decision between the other 2.
You need to score goals as well.
Center, D and goal scorers get the NHL priority.

This is all hypothetical as no decision is coming as yet. Because I have to see Nylander and Kappy moving forward.

 

[TDotMassive]

Not sure about that.
Again I will have to see Nylander come playoff time plus all next year.
If I have 3 players:
1 30 + goal and 60 + points
2 20 some goals and anywhere between 70-85 points, I keep 1 goal scorer and make the decision between the other 2.
You need to score goals as well.
Center, D and goal scorers get the NHL priority.

This is all hypothetical as no decision is coming as yet. Because I have to see Nylander and Kappy moving forward.

True, we don't know where any of them are going this season except Marner, who looks set for 90-100 pt season. Kappy its still early, but looks like we have an idea. Same with Johnsson... both have higher ceilings to hit. I do think Nylander's ceiling is significantly higher than either of them, but a shade back of Marner. Shame Willy slowed his own progress this year... but I think by season's end we will have a good picture, and I'd be shocked if Nylander wasn't outplaying Kappy and Johnsson by that point. Marner's in another world right now... let's take him out of the comparison.

 

[DoobieDubas]

We can keep both of them I think if we bridge them and bring up some elcs? i could be wrong someone can math check me but if you bridged both i think wed be ok but bye bye gardiner in that situation.

If it comes down to it kapanen every day but johnson is blossoming but we need some people who are physical like kappy as well. Johnson gets pushed off the puck a little to much. Johnsons also older.

Our Core duo's for a few years at least should be

blank Matthews Nylander
Blank Tavares Marner
Blank Kadri Kapanen
Blank Blank Blank

 

[TorontoTrades]

Kapanen easily is the better more promising player.

However I believe hes the trade chip in the move for a Dman.

 

[ShaneFalco]

Revisit trading Nylander in the summer after we wee how the playoffs go

 

[Maplebeasts]

Revisit trading Nylander in the summer after we wee how the playoffs go

Or y'know we can keep our elite young players

 

[ShaneFalco]

Or y'know we can keep our elite young players

In an ideal world, yes. But at what expense? Gardiner walks? Can't afford Kappy? Can't add to the D?

 

[justafan22]

Or y'know we can keep our elite young players

While it would get panned by fans and the media, selling high on Kapanen for defensive help isn't the worst move. If he's the main piece st louis for example wants for parayko, i'd do it.

 

[Maplebeasts]

In an ideal world, yes. But at what expense? Gardiner walks? Can't afford Kappy? Can't add to the D?

If the choice is between Nylander and Kappy you pick Nylander every day. Same thing with Gards.

 

[Maplebeasts]

While it would get panned by fans and the media, selling high on Kapanen for defensive help isn't the worst move. If he's the main piece st louis for example wants for parayko, i'd do it.

Yeah but I seriously doubt St. Louis would agree to that. The Leafs shou;d only go for a top 4 guy if the price is reasonable, otherwise they can afford to wait a year for Liljegren and or Sandin to be ready.

 

[ShaneFalco]

If the choice is between Nylander and Kappy you pick Nylander every day. Same thing with Gards.

So there's 2 guys gone and not able to add to the D potentially.
I'd be looking at the makeup of the team and see if we have too many talented as hell, but small-ish forwards. Playoffs will tell all

 

[Maplebeasts]

So there's 2 guys gone and not able to add to the D potentially.

No. We don;t know what Kap's gonna ask for with his contract, but he is not in the spot to ask for much. Gards can be kept if the Leafs can move one of Zaitsev or Marleau. They can easily find extra money if they promote some Marlies.