JVR discussion thread - Stay - Go - Play ?

[ShaneFalco]

Many people (including me) thought he'd be a beast in the playoffs. Far from it.
That's not a guy you sign long-term

 

[Menzinger]

Losing his offense would hurt Abby, but Kapanen is looking like he'll be able to put up points in the NHL level. Flip JVR ether directly in a package for a D man or for futures to then be spent on getting a D man.

When the Leafs move out him and Bozak the team's two way play will automatically improve

 

[Myopic]

Many people (including me) thought he'd be a beats in the playoffs. Far from it.
That's not a guy you sign long-term

I agree...I was always a pro JVR guy and didn't think it would be wise to get rid of a 30 goal scorer. I've changed my tune after these playoffs. You need to be more than a one dimensional player to be a piece on a cup winning team. Some would point to Kessel on Pitt but he's an exceptional offensive talent,especially on the PP. JVR is not at that level. He's mainly a SKILLED garbage collector a foot in front of the net.

 

[The Man in White]

Classic sell high situation.

 

[Gallagbi]

Classic sell high situation.

His value isn't any higher than it was the past 2-3 seasons. More like a sell while you can, before he hits UFA situation.

 

[phillipmike]

Think LeBrun mentioned on the radio this morning that Anaheim might lean towards dealing Fowler if he doesnt sign an extension.

1 year of Fowler for 1 year of JVR plus something else?

 

[moon111]

He had 12 missed shots in the playoffs. 8.7% shooting percentage.

He scores when he goes to the net. Against Washington, he couldn't. Because he's too slow. The days of Tim Kerr are over. Think he's smart enough, just doesn't have the wheels to play effective two-way hockey.

 

[The Man in White]

His value isn't any higher than it was the past 2-3 seasons. More like a sell while you can, before he hits UFA situation.

The point is his value in the future will not be any higher than it is right now.

 

[7even]

Many people (including me) thought he'd be a beast in the playoffs. Far from it.
That's not a guy you sign long-term

He wasn't good but playing all your cards based on how a best-of-7 went is what leads you to signing David Clarkson. The playoffs are like another 25% of a regular season. You're gonna have guys get hot and cold through series. Maybe he would've come alive in the 2nd round, who knows.

If we could parlay him and some youth for a pair of top 4 D I think this team looks much more polished next year. I don't think we really need a #1 guy, just upgrades on every pair.

 

[Liferleafer]

Classic sell high situation.

Agreed. Lets see what the best dman we can get for him is. Kappanen/Lievo can move up.

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

get him out of here

 

[Glenn Isildur Healy]

Everyone kept saying he's going to shine come playoff time.

Worst forward on the team. Completely useless when we needed him most.

 

[Sharabhi]

What does JVR get at free agency vs Oshie?

Get whatever we can for JVR (ideally a D man) and try to lockup Oshie imo. Oshie will help our shootout and def bring more come playofff time.

 

[disgruntleddave]

We desperately need someone big for us on the D line.
I'd move JVR before Bozak even just to retain the C depth. JVR's value is pretty solid, we need to consider our moves and upgrade where it;s really needed on D.

 

[HellasLEAF]

He had 12 missed shots in the playoffs. 8.7% shooting percentage.

He scores when he goes to the net. Against Washington, he couldn't. Because he's too slow. The days of Tim Kerr are over. Think he's smart enough, just doesn't have the wheels to play effective two-way hockey.

This is JVR in an nutshell.

He's got the hands, but for the amount of minutes he plays he just doesn't have that drive/compete level.

When push came to shove, he did not show well enough to justify his place in the team.

See you later JV, thank you for the memories.

 

[Morbo]

he's definitely lost some speed since breaking his foot.

 

[Raym11]

the only problem with moving JVR right now is we have a lack of proven-player depth with higher expectations next year as a team, to get rid of JVR who will probably put up at least 50 points and 25 goals, we will need someone to step up

i'm talking on the wing depth we don't actually have much on his side that is already proven in the NHL

 

[Kelly]

He was actually pretty key for us helping us get to the playoffs. Had a huge goal against Pittsburgh.

I don't know, it depends how much and how long -- and it also depends on how good the market will be for him. It would be sweet if he signed a sweetheart deal with us, our LW is weak... but it's probably unlikely. So if we can trade him for a young(ish) top 4 D I say do it.

 

[realgoodleafs]

If there was no salary cap I'd keep him but there is so I'd give Kapanen his spot in the lineup.

 

[Leaf handler]

I really like JVR so this hurts me to say but I think he was one of (if not the worst) least impactful players throughout the series. Maybe it's because our power play wasn't clicking so we didn't get to see the net front guy we have come to know. But holy hell it looked like he hadn't sharpened his skates once all series

 

[Avilaj07]

Jvr is a finesse player which our team have an abundance of. If JvR would play more to his capabilities, he'd be a top 5 winger in this league but he doesn't. Can we upgrade him internally, possibly, not so much offensively but definitely defensively. I would look at moving JvR+ for a upgrade in our top 4.

 

[egd27]

The point is his value in the future will not be any higher than it is right now.

Shhhh, don't want any of the other 30 GM's to know that or we may not be able to get something really good for him.

 

[horner]

the only problem with moving JVR right now is we have a lack of proven-player depth with higher expectations next year as a team, to get rid of JVR who will probably put up at least 50 points and 25 goals, we will need someone to step up

i'm talking on the wing depth we don't actually have much on his side that is already proven in the NHL

Kapanen with Bozak and marner

25'goals and 50 pts
100% better Defensively
Speed
Initiates contact ( never saw that coming from him )
A better shot from any where.

 

[Polaris1010]

JVR trade value at the moment, probably a 3rd round or 4th round draft choice.

Unless the other team wants to unload salary, maybe you can get more.

 

[Jozay]

JVR trade value at the moment, probably a 3rd round or 4th round draft choice.

Unless the other team wants to unload salary, maybe you can get more.

Way off.