Value of: Justin Braun

[Randy Randerson]

I agree with you about Kapanen.

However, to be clear, I quoted a guy who didn't want to include Kapanen in this offer:


He was suggesting keeping Kapanen out of an offer that already had no 1st. We're not getting anywhere with that. No decent defender could be had for Carrick+3rd+someonelessthanKapanen.

I was that guy, and my assertion wasn't just to drop Kapanen from the offer without replacing his value in it. "replace" was the first word of that post

 

[pheasant]

I was that guy, and my assertion wasn't just to drop Kapanen from the offer without replacing his value in it. "replace" was the first word of that post

Then perhaps I misunderstood your post before. Sounded like you wanted to switch out Kapanen with a lesser prospect instead of a roster player. If that's not what you meant, then my bad.

I think you'd have to "replace" him with a 1st rounder. Because that's probably what it would take to get Braun, as I don't think the 3rd or Carrick mean a hill of beans to San Jose.

 

[Liferleafer]

Leafs fan, no problem with a 1st+ for Braun from me.

 

[seroes]

I was that guy, and my assertion wasn't just to drop Kapanen from the offer without replacing his value in it. "replace" was the first word of that post

Then what would you replace it with? 3rd+ Carrick isn't enough.

 

[Randy Randerson]

Then perhaps I misunderstood your post before. Sounded like you wanted to switch out Kapanen with a lesser prospect instead of a roster player. If that's not what you meant, then my bad.

I think you'd have to "replace" him with a 1st rounder. Because that's probably what it would take to get Braun, as I don't think the 3rd or Carrick mean a hill of beans to San Jose.

misunderstanding then, was not suggesting that Braun will go for a package where Carrick+3rd are the substantial value, just that Kapanen shouldn't be included because he impacts the roster depth of this year's team. The next 4 years are very important to the Leafs, Rielly and Kadri will make about half of what their market value is (accounting for year over year cap inflation), so we can temporarily afford more than we will be able to after that expires (barring some really good pieces coming out of the system on ELC's). Ergo - don't take pieces that will contribute in that time

Then what would you replace it with? 3rd+ Carrick isn't enough.

1st or Sandin would be my guess, Kapanen is the value piece in that trade package and whatever he was replaced with would have to be the same

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

I think that a 1st or a 2nd+prospect would work.

Which prospect

 

[Pinkfloyd]

Which prospect

I'd want Liljegren or Durzi.

 

[Brock Radunske]

I'd want Liljegren or Durzi.

Zero chance a prospect like Liljegren would be included for a guy like Braun, even 1 for 1.
I kind of doubt Durzi would be either, especially if there is the expectation of a 1st as well.

 

[Gary Nylund]

Zero chance a prospect like Liljegren would be included for a guy like Braun, even 1 for 1.
I kind of doubt Durzi would be either, especially if there is the expectation of a 1st as well.

This.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

I'd want Liljegren or Durzi.

So you don't want a 2nd and prospect you want a 1st and a 2nd because Liljegren is the equivalent of a 1st.

I don't think Bruan is the type of D any team gives it's top prospect for

 

[Pinkfloyd]

Zero chance a prospect like Liljegren would be included for a guy like Braun, even 1 for 1.
I kind of doubt Durzi would be either, especially if there is the expectation of a 1st as well.

So you don't want a 2nd and prospect you want a 1st and a 2nd because Liljegren is the equivalent of a 1st.

I don't think Bruan is the type of D any team gives it's top prospect for

The context was 2nd plus prospect not a 1st.

 

[Randy Randerson]

The context was 2nd plus prospect not a 1st.

Durzi + 2nd would be fine from this Leaf fan. Liljegren is a substantially more valuable prospect than Durzi and I wouldn't include him. If we were acquiring a Braun type, the hope is that is the bandaid until Liljegren is ready

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

The context was 2nd plus prospect not a 1st.

That doesn't mean you go for the top prospect a team has, not for Justin Braun

 

[Bizz]

If SJS win the Karlsson sweepstakes, you would have to think that he's available. 31 year old RH top 4 D with 2 x $3.8 remaining.

I would think Braun would need to be traded before we won the Karlsson sweepstakes due to cap reasons.

 

[Kamiccolo]

Sorry no interest in a 2 year rental.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

That doesn't mean you go for the top prospect a team has, not for Justin Braun

That's fine. The Sharks aren't in a position where they need to trade him and his next two years is still more valuable than the kind of prospect that you're probably willing to give up that has small odds of making it and a 2nd which would probably be late and have similarly small odds of making it.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Sorry no interest in a 2 year rental.

Players with multiple years aren't rentals

 

[Voodoo Glow Skulls]

Braun

For

Borgman
Grundstrom
2019 2nd

 

[Bizz]

That's fine. The Sharks aren't in a position where they need to trade him and his next two years is still more valuable than the kind of prospect that you're probably willing to give up that has small odds of making it and a 2nd which would probably be late and have similarly small odds of making it.

I can't believe people think they can talk DW into trading Braun for a couple of 2nds when he got as much or more for the likes of Brad Stuart and Douglas Murray.

 

[Kamiccolo]

Players with multiple years aren't rentals

It's a meme from when JVR was in that spot and that was the response to every thread.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

I can't believe people think they can talk DW into trading Braun for a couple of 2nds when he got as much or more for the likes of Brad Stuart and Douglas Murray.

If the Sharks felt like they needed to dump him for no contracts then I can understand but I just don't see it at this point.

 

[DoobieDubas]

Durzi + 2nd would be fine from this Leaf fan. Liljegren is a substantially more valuable prospect than Durzi and I wouldn't include him. If we were acquiring a Braun type, the hope is that is the bandaid until Liljegren is ready

Unless we have to trade our D prospects I suggest trading our forward depth.

Bracco + 2nd 2019+ a 4th 2021 i would take all day if i was SJ and wanted to trade braun.

If they want a D then it's ransanen + . Just saying i highly doubt they trade their draft picks from this year without seeing what they have. Doesn't seem like a dubas move.

 

[HoweHullOrr]

Would easily pay 2nd and a middle prospect

Sure, we'd easily pay that, but doubt that San Jose would be interested. That would be trading a NHL defenseman for two long shots.

 

[Brock Radunske]

The context was 2nd plus prospect not a 1st.

Fair. He's worth it.
I'd feel a lot better offering a good forward prospect and a 2nd instead of a d prospect.
I also have no issues tossing a straight 1st across.
Lily is obviously a no-go and that's not a slight at Braun

 

[Dog]

2nd 2019+Bracco+Nielsen for Braun. Not giving up Swedes as creating team Sweden in Toronto!