Jori Lehtera Player Discussion
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David St Hubbins
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True, just like Chlamydia>Gonorrhea>drug resistant Syphilis
Doesn't mean I want any of them.
whitstifier
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Still don't see why a cap dump was necessary in the Schenn trade.
Though, it'll be fun to see Frost and 2018/19 1st in the NHL in 5 years when the Flyers are just 2 years away from contending!
Though, it'll be fun to see Frost and 2018/19 1st in the NHL in 5 years when the Flyers are just 2 years away from contending!
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The value Colorado got for Duchene makes it look even worse that we took back a cap dump that large for a 25-30 goal, 55-60 point scorer in his prime.
Girard
Kamenev
Bowers (28th overall 2017)
Ott 1st 2018 (top 10 protected)
Nash 2nd 2019
Ott 3rd 2018
Hammond
Jesus.
WIP CALLER
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The cap dump on lehtera was why I was against the trade from day 1. He was clearly done last year and it gave hak another useless vet to play over better options. They should have received much more for taking lehtera back and the trade as is looks like a big win for st Louis. 2 low firsts and getting rid of a useless overpaid plug for a top 6 center in his prime is a steal. Lehtera honestly looks worse than Umberger and Vinny. There is not a single positive thing that he brings to the team and is blocking guys like Martel from getting a shot. Hextall' s love for these over the hill overpaid vets is getting very annoying. Bad enough to obtain them but then to have them actually play and be on the roster is just worse. The trade may even out after 5 years but for the next 2 years it is a massive win for the blues. If you are taking a roster player back in a trade, you need to make sure that player can actually play even if it's in a limited role. I didn't really even love Schenn but I would have kept him if the only way the trade happens was us getting Lehtera. We essentially did them a favor for free as Schenns value was probably close to 2 late firsts as seen with the Duchene trade. Very bad cap and asset management by Hextall.
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Schenn wasn't a top 6 center in Philadelphia, he was a marginal 3rd line center and a PP specialist, showed some promise on the 3rd line as a RW. Maybe this is the "true" Schenn, but more likely, he'll come back to earth.
Lehtera is a body, we had the cap room, and he started the season as the #13 forward, if he wasn't playing, they'd call up someone like McDonald. He's not blocking Martel, if Hextall thought Martel had a role on this team right now Lehtera would be back at #13 forward. Hextall kept Leier over Read.
By spring, Lehtera and Read will be buried so deep you'll need the FBI to find them.
Lehtera is a body, we had the cap room, and he started the season as the #13 forward, if he wasn't playing, they'd call up someone like McDonald. He's not blocking Martel, if Hextall thought Martel had a role on this team right now Lehtera would be back at #13 forward. Hextall kept Leier over Read.
By spring, Lehtera and Read will be buried so deep you'll need the FBI to find them.
Captain Dave Poulin
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Yeah, I feel like a lot of people are forgetting who he was here and getting green-eyed because he has had a decent start in St. Louis. That first-rounder in this draft is nothing to scoff at. It sucks that Hakstok has Lehtera to play, obviously, but it's not the end of the world. Schenn wasn't worth a damn as a center here. And while we have loads of justifiable doubts about our pro scouting, it was pretty clear that the brass never rated him very much, so I wouldn't be at all surprised if they had been looking to move him for quite a while. We got a good return for him, irrespective of the return Sakic got for Duchene.
And not for nothing, but the fat bastard just carjacked Stone Hugs not that long ago. I feel like even though I am capable of generating and carrying enough anger for all of us, and then some, I shouldn't be the only one doing it this time.
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Schenn finished with back to back 50+ point seasons and was 2 points off from having 3 50 point seasons in a row. That he was a 3rd line center here doesn't mean anything. Every one struggled on the team at even strength except Couts. You should not have to take a cap dump in return for a player that has basically 3 straight 50 point seasons, that is in his prime, and on a very fair contract for 3 years. If you do take a cap dump in return then the assets you receive should be more than what you likely would have gotten without that cap dump. Schenns value was at worse what they received without lehtera based on his production and age. 2 late firsts seems about right for a proven 50+ point, 25 year old forward that is an elite powerplay scorer. There was zero reason to take a negative asset in that trade. It was a very poor move to not get more from taking that negative asset.
Lehtera should be no where near the NHL. Honestly, his story reminds me of Leino where he came out of no where and did well off the bat and then he fell, and fell hard. Lehtera has fallen hard and he's not getting back up.
Eh, the difference is that Duchene's lowest point output in a full season is 41 and that was on the worst team in the league. Other than that he's never scored less than 55 in a full season. Brayden Schenn has only gotten to 55 twice. This is all futures here so in a couple years this could be a steal for Colorado or they could look like fools. The prospects they got are nothing special. Not bad prospects by any means but none of them are home-run top liners or top pair guys. Ottawa's first is a nice pickup to add to those prospects, and the 2nd/3rd are good as well, and Hammond never really lived up to that first stint. They definitely got more than we did for Schenn, but Duchene was always going to return more than Schenn.
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Yeah... Schenn was pretty clearly a top six winger.
Somehow 50 PP goals in the previous 2 seasons means you're a bottom 6 player... sure deadhead, sure.
deadhead
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The problem is that Schenn was a third line winger.
averaged 31 ES points per year over a 4 year period, Filppula had 35 ES points last year.
Nor was he very good at possession, Corsi Rel averaged about -1.5 for that 4 year period.
The 28 PP goals the last two seasons were solid, but also the product of playing wth G and Ghost - he has 1 in 15 games this season.
Now maybe he's going to put up 60 ES points this year, but somehow I doubt it.
He's playing better than expected, but off his Philly production, no one considered him as the same quality of player as Duchene.
He was the 3rd best center and the 3rd best RW and a fail at LW on a mediocre team.
How does that make him a top 6 player?
averaged 31 ES points per year over a 4 year period, Filppula had 35 ES points last year.
Nor was he very good at possession, Corsi Rel averaged about -1.5 for that 4 year period.
The 28 PP goals the last two seasons were solid, but also the product of playing wth G and Ghost - he has 1 in 15 games this season.
Now maybe he's going to put up 60 ES points this year, but somehow I doubt it.
He's playing better than expected, but off his Philly production, no one considered him as the same quality of player as Duchene.
He was the 3rd best center and the 3rd best RW and a fail at LW on a mediocre team.
How does that make him a top 6 player?
Lindberg
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You keep going on and on about Filppula while ignoring that he played on a significantly better ES team for most of the year. He finished out in Philly with a 21% shooting perecentage which likely wasn't going to continue at all. I'd largely expect Fippula will cool off too given his 31% shooting percentage to start the year. If you're asking questions about Schenn the same could be said for Simmonds who can only play RW. Schenn's a guy who has shown he is at least flexible in the lineup LW, C, RW while Simmonds has shown he's only useful at RW during ES play.
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Simmonds is our best PK guy? I've heard it all now. If that is the case no wonder our PK is lousy.
I just don't see how this guy is playing over Vecchione right now. I thought Vecchione showed he could play in the NHL last year and he is playing well in the A right now.
Lehtera is brutal to watch out there. What's worse is the announcers bending over backwards to find something to compliment him on.
Lehtera is brutal to watch out there. What's worse is the announcers bending over backwards to find something to compliment him on.
Captain Dave Poulin
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He is brutal. I think Hexy just wants Vech to be the fully-formed article so that when he brings him up, he will stay up. I have no idea where he is on the Laughton Memorial Completion Tour TM, but I'd bet that is what they are thinking.
Striiker
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Having a giant deadweight contract certainly helps to keep you on the NHL roster ahead of kids who can play in the AHL.
And being a no skill, slow, heavy piece of meat helps make you into Hakstols best friend. He started out of the lineup, but he may have intangible enough intangibles to stick around. We'll see. If Manning can stay in this organization for the past 7 years, anythings possible.
David St Hubbins
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This.
Hexy has made that statement more than once - when they come up they should be ready to stick. Bouncing back and forth between the A and the show are worse for the player than extra time in the A. His behaviour with Ghost, Laughton, Hagg & Sanheim all demonstrate he means it.
They don't treat all young players the same. Players with elite skills/talent Patrick, Provorov and TK they felt didn't need any time in the AHL. They were physically ready and Hextall felt they could learn in the NHL. The rest of the prospects they want them to succeed in the AHL learning the pro game in North America playing against men and build they confidence they will need to take the next step. Makes sense to me especially on a middle of the pack team.
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