Player Discussion Jonathan Drouin: To C Or Not to C

[DAChampion]

IMO, Drouin's contract is approximately fair, whereas Galchenyuk was underpaid.

 

[Captain Mountain]

I think you're exaggerating the extent to which Galchenyuk was underutilized...

Seasons Galchenyuk was Top 3 ES TOI/GP for the Habs:


Seasons Galchenyuk was Top 6 ES TOI/GP for the Habs:

2014-2015, 2016-2017

Seasons Galchenyuk was Top 3 PP TOI/GP for the Habs:

2015-2016 (tied 3rd), 2016-2017 (3rd), 2017-2018 (3rd)

Drouin had the highest ES TOI/GP and PP TOI/GP last season.

The only season that Galchenyuk played more that 13 minutes of ES time per game he averaged more ES production than Drouin did in his two seasons above 13 minutes of ES time per game. Drouin (in Tampa and Montreal) has had more PP opportunities than Galchenyuk ever got. And Galchenyuk was more productive on PP last season than Drouin.

Focusing on Galchenyuk's stint on the fourth line is unfair, but he never got the opportunity Drouin got last season. And its not as though Drouin did more to earn that opportunity, because he didn't.

 

[Doc McKenna]

I think you're exaggerating the extent to which Galchenyuk was underutilized...

Its you guys that kept saying he wasn't playing center. And no I am not exaggerating, hence why some of think there is a double stndard at habsHQ. The year he was put at center with eller on wing(we all knew he was garbage on wing even with therrein didn't) and a washed up semin they still had remarkably good numbers despite Chuck plaing as little as 12 minutes a game in several early season games. Again DD as the 3rd liner was getting 16 minutes a game along with flash and weise (52% of his line combos) and getting 2:19 (41.6% of the powerplay) as a 3rd line?

I like this quote "Getting back to that shooting percentage, Kerfoot was 260th out of 264 forwards (minimum 800 minutes at five-on-five) in shot rate. That is atricously bad. Like, David Desharnais bad"

Here is chucks TOI in 2015-2016 to start the year, while at center for lars and semin as our 2nd line. Remember DD had 16 minutes a game over the entire year average. He was often used a winger to DD on the powerplay as well.

Date	OPP	Team	G	A	PTS	+/-	PIM	SOG	PPG	PPP	HITS	BLKS	FOW	FOW%	PPTOI	%PP	SHTOI	%SH	TOI

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Nov 22	NYI	MTL	1	0	1	0	0	3	1	1	0	2	4	40.0	01:30	22.8	00:00	0.0	12:44
Nov 20	@NYI	MTL	0	1	1	1	0	2	0	0	0	1	2	28.6	00:19	15.8	00:00	0.0	12:13
Nov 19	ARI	MTL	0	0	0	1	0	3	0	0	1	1	6	60.0	03:31	35.2	00:00	0.0	14:39
Nov 16	VAN	MTL	0	0	0	0	2	4	0	0	1	0	6	60.0	02:55	36.5	00:00	0.0	14:18
Nov 14	COL	MTL	0	0	0	0	0	2	0	0	0	0	4	50.0	02:15	28.1	00:00	0.0	15:17
Nov 11	@pit	MTL	0	0	0	-1	0	1	0	0	0	0	4	40.0	02:42	47.6	00:00	0.0	13:35
Nov 7	BOS	MTL	0	2	2	1	0	2	0	1	0	0	9	75.0	01:31	40.4	00:00	0.0	11:35
Nov 5	NYI	MTL	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	1	1	2	28.6	01:17	38.5	00:00	0.0	12:20
Nov 3	OTT	MTL	0	1	1	0	0	1	0	1	2	0	6	75.0	03:15	63.9	00:00	0.0	15:06
Nov 1	WPG	MTL	0	0	0	0	0	1	0	0	0	1	8	66.7	02:22	28.9	00:00	0.0	14:51
Oct 30	@cgy	MTL	0	0	0	-1	0	2	0	0	0	1	4	57.1	02:34	46.4	00:00	0.0	14:09
Oct 29	@EDM	MTL	1	0	1	1	0	1	0	0	1	0	1	25.0	00:49	28.7	00:00	0.0	15:04
Oct 27	@Van	MTL	0	0	0	-2	0	3	0	0	0	1	4	36.4	00:54	30.3	00:00	0.0	14:09
Oct 24	TOR	MTL	0	1	1	-1	0	4	0	0	0	0	6	54.5	02:52	44.1	00:00	0.0	15:15
Oct 23	@BUF	MTL	0	0	0	-1	0	2	0	0	0	1	9	56.3	00:56	28.0	00:00	0.0	13:56
Oct 20	STL	MTL	0	1	1	1	0	0	0	0	0	0	12	63.2	01:57	48.8	00:00	0.0	13:30
Oct 17	DET	MTL	0	1	1	0	0	3	0	1	0	0	7	46.7	03:12	41.9	00:00	0.0	15:07
Oct 15	NYR	MTL	0	0	0	0	0	2	0	0	1	0	11	57.9	03:21	44.5	00:00	0.0	14:29
Oct 13	@pit	MTL	0	0	0	0	0	1	0	0	0	0	2	33.3	00:41	39.4	00:00	0.0	14:51
Oct 11	@OTT	MTL	0	0	0	-1	2	1	0	0	0	1	4	40.0	06:10	58.7	00:00	0.0	17:00
Oct 10	@BOS	MTL	0	3	3	2	0	1	0	1	0	0	2	28.6	05:16	43.5	00:00	0.0	13:52
Oct 7	@TOR	MTL	1	0	1	1	0	2	0	0	1	0	7	70.0	00:55	45.8	00:00	0.0	14:35

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[Doc McKenna]

Now remove the powerplay time on some of those games.
Oct10 5:16 in PP time and 13:52 total...8 and a half minutes EV with a 3 point game. Brilliant coaching.

Gets 17 minutes next game (6:10 of which is pp) then goes back to sub 15 minutes as our 2nd line center because he had a game he didn't put up points.

 

[Doc McKenna]

Lars Eller same year 2nd line winger

Nov 22	NYI	MTL	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	1	0	2	50.0	00:00	0.0	02:41	26.8	14:23
Nov 20	@NYI	MTL	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	3	0	1	50.0	00:00	0.0	02:24	40.0	11:52
Nov 19	ARI	MTL	0	0	0	-1	2	3	0	0	3	0	1	50.0	00:17	2.8	00:50	35.7	12:28
Nov 16	VAN	MTL	1	0	1	1	0	2	0	0	2	0	4	100.0	00:10	2.1	01:23	17.1	13:24
Nov 14	COL	MTL	0	0	0	0	0	1	0	0	3	0	0	0.0	00:46	9.6	01:12	41.6	15:01
Nov 11	@pit	MTL	0	0	0	-1	0	3	0	0	1	1	1	100.0	01:31	26.8	00:39	9.8	12:25
Nov 7	BOS	MTL	1	0	1	0	0	1	0	0	0	0	2	100.0	00:00	0.0	01:52	26.5	13:23
Nov 5	NYI	MTL	0	0	0	0	0	1	0	0	1	0	1	33.3	00:00	0.0	00:29	8.1	11:23
Nov 3	OTT	MTL	0	0	0	0	0	4	0	0	0	1	0		00:00	0.0	00:00	0.0	13:16
Nov 1	WPG	MTL	1	0	1	0	0	2	1	1	1	2	0	0.0	01:31	18.5	00:39	13.9	14:20
Oct 30	@cgy	MTL	0	0	0	-1	2	0	0	0	1	0	0		00:00	0.0	00:00	0.0	09:09
Oct 29	@EDM	MTL	0	0	0	1	0	0	0	0	1	1	1	100.0	00:00	0.0	01:48	27.2	13:25
Oct 27	@Van	MTL	0	0	0	-2	0	0	0	0	0	2	1	50.0	00:16	9.0	00:54	32.9	14:02
Oct 24	TOR	MTL	1	0	1	-1	2	2	0	0	2	0	0	0.0	00:00	0.0	01:20	18.2	13:42
Oct 23	@BUF	MTL	0	0	0	-1	0	3	0	0	0	0	0	0.0	00:00	0.0	00:33	9.0	12:55
Oct 20	STL	MTL	0	1	1	1	0	3	0	0	1	1	2	50.0	01:09	28.8	01:10	28.1	14:53
Oct 17	DET	MTL	0	0	0	0	0	3	0	0	1	1	0	0.0	00:00	0.0	02:56	48.9	15:59
Oct 15	NYR	MTL	0	0	0	0	0	2	0	0	5	0	1	25.0	00:54	11.9	00:40	11.4	14:30
Oct 13	@pit	MTL	0	0	0	0	0	2	0	0	1	0	1	33.3	00:00	0.0	00:51	30.9	14:04
Oct 11	@OTT	MTL	0	0	0	-1	0	2	0	0	1	1	3	50.0	03:12	30.5	01:44	30.9	15:15
Oct 10	@BOS	MTL	2	0	2	2	0	4	0	0	1	0	5	62.5	02:34	21.2	01:49	39.2	14:29
Oct 7	@TOR	MTL	0	0	0	1	2	0	0	0	2	0	2	100.0	00:55	45.8	00:52	21.1	14:21

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[Doc McKenna]

Finally Semin our other 2nd line winger

Nov 25	@NYR	MTL	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	1	0	0		01:02	16.8	00:00	0.0	05:22
Nov 22	NYI	MTL	0	0	0	0	2	0	0	0	1	1	0		00:40	10.2	00:00	0.0	11:04
Nov 20	@NYI	MTL	0	1	1	2	0	4	0	0	1	0	0		00:00	0.0	00:00	0.0	09:01
Nov 19			0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0.0	0	0.0	0	0.0	0
Nov 16	VAN	MTL	0	0	0	0	2	0	0	0	0	0	0		00:10	2.1	00:00	0.0	06:48
Nov 14	COL	MTL	0	0	0	0	2	0	0	0	0	0	0		02:15	28.1	00:00	0.0	15:30
Nov 11			0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0.0	0	0.0	0	0.0	0
Nov 7			0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0.0	0	0.0	0	0.0	0
Nov 5			0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0.0	0	0.0	0	0.0	0
Nov 3			0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0.0	0	0.0	0	0.0	0
Nov 1			0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0.0	0	0.0	0	0.0	0
Oct 30			0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0.0	0	0.0	0	0.0	0
Oct 29			0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0.0	0	0.0	0	0.0	0
Oct 27	@Van	MTL	0	0	0	-2	0	1	0	0	0	0	0		01:14	41.6	00:00	0.0	13:38
Oct 24	TOR	MTL	0	0	0	-1	0	0	0	0	0	0	0		02:52	44.1	00:00	0.0	12:43
Oct 23	@BUF	MTL	0	0	0	-1	2	2	0	0	1	0	0		00:56	28.0	00:00	0.0	13:36
Oct 20	STL	MTL	1	0	1	1	0	3	0	0	0	0	0		01:57	48.8	00:00	0.0	12:20
Oct 17	DET	MTL	0	0	0	0	2	3	0	0	0	0	0		03:15	42.6	00:00	0.0	15:42
Oct 15	NYR	MTL	0	0	0	0	0	2	0	0	0	1	1	100.0	03:08	41.6	00:00	0.0	10:54
Oct 13	@pit	MTL	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	1	0		00:41	39.4	00:00	0.0	11:54
Oct 11	@OTT	MTL	0	0	0	-1	2	1	0	0	0	1	0		06:33	62.4	00:00	0.0	16:34
Oct 10	@BOS	MTL	0	2	2	2	0	1	0	0	1	0	0		05:37	46.4	00:00	0.0	13:51
Oct 7	@TOR	MTL	0	0	0	1	0	1	0	0	1	0	0		00:55	45.8	00:00	0.0	16:05

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[Leon Lucius Black]

Now remove the powerplay time on some of those games.
Oct10 5:16 in PP time and 13:52 total...8 and a half minutes EV with a 3 point game. Brilliant coaching.

Gets 17 minutes next game (6:10 of which is pp) then goes back to sub 15 minutes as our 2nd line center because he had a game he didn't put up points.

To start that year the team was 15-4-2 and was rolling 4 lines, even Torrey Mitchell was playing 12 minutes a game and had 10 points in the first 20 games. Desharnais played 40 seconds more a game than Galchenyuk over that period and his whole line had more points than Galchenyuk did.

 

[Doc McKenna]

Try to keep your head in the game as Semin while playing as little as John Scott would get. Hmmm russian?

 

[Doc McKenna]

To start that year the team was 15-4-2 and was rolling 4 lines, even Torrey Mitchell was playing 12 minutes a game and had 10 points in the first 20 games. Desharnais played 40 seconds more a game than Galchenyuk over that period and his whole line had more points than Galchenyuk did.

2013 start of the year behold the awesome skill. Strange he had 5 games under 14 minutes. And only 2 less than 13 (one by 3 seconds less) Putting up just the best stat line while playing with patches and getting lot of PP time. 4 points in 2 months. Please tell me again how there isn't this double standard...no really please tell me this. Its not like I plucked these stats out of thin air. We have been saying chuck and eller have gotten the shaft from the habs for a LONG time, yet some of you said it "didn't hurt who they would become"

Date	TEAM	OPP	G	A	P	+/-	PIM	S	PPG	PPP	HITS	BLKS	FOW	FO%	PPTOI	%PP	TOI/G	%TOI

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Nov 22	MTL	@Wsh	1	0	1	1	0	3	0	0	0	0	6	28.6	04:14	45.4	16:15	27.1
Nov 19	MTL	MIN	0	2	2	2	0	1	0	0	1	0	7	46.7	02:47	38.3	15:19	25.5
Nov 16	MTL	NYR	0	0	0	0	0	3	0	0	0	5	8	44.4	00:52	21.7	18:29	30.8
Nov 15	MTL	@CBJ	0	0	0	0	0	1	0	0	0	0	4	36.4	01:56	29.4	16:06	24.8
Nov 10	MTL	NYI	0	0	0	0	2	0	0	0	1	0	6	37.5	02:06	25.8	15:04	25.1
Nov 7	MTL	@OTT	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	2	20.0	00:00	0.0	15:11	25.3
Nov 2	MTL	@COL	0	0	0	-1	0	0	0	0	0	1	6	60.0	00:46	16.7	14:20	23.9
Nov 1	MTL	@MIN	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	7	41.2	00:02	1.4	17:24	29.0
Oct 29	MTL	DAL	0	0	0	1	0	0	0	0	0	1	9	47.4	01:01	16.9	16:50	28.1
Oct 28	MTL	@NYR	0	0	0	0	0	2	0	0	0	0	9	60.0	01:29	16.5	12:57	21.6
Oct 26	MTL	S.J	0	0	0	0	2	2	0	0	0	0	3	30.0	00:00	0.0	12:37	21.0
Oct 24	MTL	ANA	0	0	0	-1	0	2	0	0	0	0	13	86.7	02:16	27.1	16:39	27.8
Oct 22	MTL	EDM	0	0	0	-1	2	3	0	0	0	0	4	57.1	00:00	0.0	15:26	25.7
Oct 19	MTL	NSH	0	0	0	-1	0	0	0	0	1	0	3	27.3	00:58	10.6	13:20	22.2
Oct 17	MTL	CBJ	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	1	5	55.6	02:10	50.4	13:17	22.1
Oct 15	MTL	@WPG	0	1	1	2	0	1	0	0	1	3	5	55.6	02:47	35.1	15:28	25.8
Oct 12	MTL	@Van	0	0	0	0	0	4	0	0	0	0	9	56.3	02:16	45.8	14:21	23.9
Oct 10	MTL	@EDM	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	1	11	57.9	00:15	8.9	14:20	23.9
Oct 9	MTL	@cgy	0	0	0	0	0	2	0	0	0	0	7	87.5	01:24	27.3	16:32	27.6
Oct 5	MTL	PHI	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	4	36.4	05:45	40.7	13:54	23.2
Oct 1	MTL	TOR	0	0	0	-1	0	1	0	0	0	1	6	60.0	03:19	49.1	18:24	30.7

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[CauZuki]

That's true, but Galchenyuk did well in multiple stints at centre.

Moreover, he was drafted to be a centre on a team which needed a centre. He should have just been left at centre for an extended period and allowed to learn, as most teams do with their good prospects. For example, the Habs allowed both Desharnais and Drouin to struggle for extended periods, the idea was that it was part of the learning process.

The Montreal Double Standards.

 

[Censored Toad]

The Montreal Double Standards.

Suppose that would be a great new name if the team wants to change from The Montreal Carey Price's

 

[Leon Lucius Black]

2013 start of the year behold the awesome skill. Strange he had 5 games under 14 minutes. And only 2 less than 13 (one by 3 seconds less) Putting up just the best stat line while playing with patches and getting lot of PP time. 4 points in 2 months. Please tell me again how there isn't this double standard...no really please tell me this. Its not like I plucked these stats out of thin air. We have been saying chuck and eller have gotten the shaft from the habs for a LONG time, yet some of you said it "didn't hurt who they would become"

Nov 22	MTL	@Wsh	1	0	1	1	0	3	0	0	0	0	6	28.6	04:14	45.4	16:15	27.1
Nov 19	MTL	MIN	0	2	2	2	0	1	0	0	1	0	7	46.7	02:47	38.3	15:19	25.5
Nov 16	MTL	NYR	0	0	0	0	0	3	0	0	0	5	8	44.4	00:52	21.7	18:29	30.8
Nov 15	MTL	@CBJ	0	0	0	0	0	1	0	0	0	0	4	36.4	01:56	29.4	16:06	24.8
Nov 10	MTL	NYI	0	0	0	0	2	0	0	0	1	0	6	37.5	02:06	25.8	15:04	25.1
Nov 7	MTL	@OTT	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	2	20.0	00:00	0.0	15:11	25.3
Nov 2	MTL	@COL	0	0	0	-1	0	0	0	0	0	1	6	60.0	00:46	16.7	14:20	23.9
Nov 1	MTL	@MIN	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	7	41.2	00:02	1.4	17:24	29.0
Oct 29	MTL	DAL	0	0	0	1	0	0	0	0	0	1	9	47.4	01:01	16.9	16:50	28.1
Oct 28	MTL	@NYR	0	0	0	0	0	2	0	0	0	0	9	60.0	01:29	16.5	12:57	21.6
Oct 26	MTL	S.J	0	0	0	0	2	2	0	0	0	0	3	30.0	00:00	0.0	12:37	21.0
Oct 24	MTL	ANA	0	0	0	-1	0	2	0	0	0	0	13	86.7	02:16	27.1	16:39	27.8
Oct 22	MTL	EDM	0	0	0	-1	2	3	0	0	0	0	4	57.1	00:00	0.0	15:26	25.7
Oct 19	MTL	NSH	0	0	0	-1	0	0	0	0	1	0	3	27.3	00:58	10.6	13:20	22.2
Oct 17	MTL	CBJ	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	1	5	55.6	02:10	50.4	13:17	22.1
Oct 15	MTL	@WPG	0	1	1	2	0	1	0	0	1	3	5	55.6	02:47	35.1	15:28	25.8
Oct 12	MTL	@Van	0	0	0	0	0	4	0	0	0	0	9	56.3	02:16	45.8	14:21	23.9
Oct 10	MTL	@EDM	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	1	11	57.9	00:15	8.9	14:20	23.9
Oct 9	MTL	@cgy	0	0	0	0	0	2	0	0	0	0	7	87.5	01:24	27.3	16:32	27.6
Oct 5	MTL	PHI	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	4	36.4	05:45	40.7	13:54	23.2
Oct 1	MTL	TOR	0	0	0	-1	0	1	0	0	0	1	6	60.0	03:19	49.1	18:24	30.7

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Galchenyuk was playing more minutes a game than Desharnais over that period and getting a minute more of PP time? Playing time isn't what hurt Galchenyuk, him not improving from being a below average skater and not knowing how to stickhandle and pull moves while actually skating is what hurt him.

 

[CauZuki]

Galchenyuk was playing more minutes a game than Desharnais over that period and getting a minute more of PP time? Playing time isn't what hurt Galchenyuk, him not improving from being a below average skater and not knowing how to stickhandle and pull moves while actually skating is what hurt him.

So his fairly linear progression in points per game year over year mean what exactly?

 

[Doc McKenna]

Galchenyuk was playing more minutes a game than Desharnais over that period and getting a minute more of PP time? Playing time isn't what hurt Galchenyuk, him not improving from being a below average skater and not knowing how to stickhandle and pull moves while actually skating is what hurt him.

Chuck had 17 points( 6 points in the first 4 games with the egg line) by nov 22nd and played on the wing with pleks, who has always had lot of icetime. Keep moving the goalposts. You said all the lines were playing well so chuck/eller/ and semin could only get as little as 5.5 minutes or being benched in semins case . Why doesn't that hold true to DD when getting only 4 points in the same number of games as semin (different season)?

Why does one get benched when his help isn't required because all the lines were clicking, while the other plays 14-17 minutes a game while being hot garbage and not doing anything other than gliding to the bench. ...hmmm doublestandard perhaps.

 

[Leon Lucius Black]

So his fairly linear progression in points per game year over year mean what exactly?

His PPG from last year was comparable to that of his rookie season. He's been in the league for six years and hasn't proven he's anything more than 0.6 PPG player other than a couple of hot streaks to end 15-16 and begin 16-17.

 

[CauZuki]

His PPG from last year was comparable to that of his rookie season. He's been in the league for six years and hasn't proven he's anything more than 0.6 PPG player other than a couple of hot streaks to end 15-16 and begin 16-17.

Do you think it's fair to single out last season ,considering how nearly everyone underperformed and was one of (if not the worst) season in our 100 year history?

Before last year his ppg had steadily gone up , as did his primary assists and gwg...I don't know about you but I see progression there.

 

[Doc McKenna]

His PPG from last year was comparable to that of his rookie season. He's been in the league for six years and hasn't proven he's anything more than 0.6 PPG player other than a couple of hot streaks to end 15-16 and begin 16-17.

He started the year on the fourth line and had 10 games under 14 minutes up till christmas. 3 games under 11 minutes including one under 10 before decemeber and still had 12 points by dec 1st. Go back and look at DD when he had 4 points by the same time and not seeing under 12:37 at all.

Drouin has 17 points before his injury at the start of december meaning he had 29 points the remainder of the season while missing 4 games. Chuck had a major injury the year before and still managed 44 points in 61 games. 2 points and 16 games difference between them. One for a minor injury vs one a major injury.

 

[Runner77]

I also want to ask, are people so naive as to think that Drouin will be made to step aside for Kotkaniemi? Are the people that are so hyped about this number 3 draft pick actually thinking that Drouin is going to be demoted in favour of this promising young player? Drouin is the **** in Bergevin's eyes, he can do no wrong.

Bergevin's eyes won't be here long enough to matter. Nor will his sorry ass.

 

[OldCraig71]

Bergevin's eyes won't be here long enough to matter. Nor will his sorry ass.

I hope you are right, we need to feel like this team is ours again even if we are second tier fans.

 

[montreal]

IMO, Drouin's contract is approximately fair, whereas Galchenyuk was underpaid.

I thought it was a terrible contract, to go from 925K to 5.5M without proving much other then his 1 good year. But I like the bridge deal to keep players here longer, so I'm glad they didn't do it here as I hope Drouin's stay isn't long unless he turns his game around a good bit.

 

[groovejuice]

Bergevin's eyes won't be here long enough to matter. Nor will his sorry ass.

I have zero confidence in Molson to do the right thing. It's like he's on mood elevators - whistling and twiddling his thumbs while his team is sinking to the bottom.

 

[admiralcadillac]

IMO, Drouin's contract is approximately fair, whereas Galchenyuk was underpaid.

But they aren't equivalent contracts in terms of the ufa years and ages of the players. Galchenyuk got less than he would have had he signed the length of Drouin's contract.

 

[ECWHSWI]

Galchenyuk was playing more minutes a game than Desharnais over that period and getting a minute more of PP time? Playing time isn't what hurt Galchenyuk, him not improving from being a below average skater and not knowing how to stickhandle and pull moves while actually skating is what hurt him.

To start that year the team was 15-4-2 and was rolling 4 lines, even Torrey Mitchell was playing 12 minutes a game and had 10 points in the first 20 games. Desharnais played 40 seconds more a game than Galchenyuk over that period and his whole line had more points than Galchenyuk did.

well huh, hum... wich one is it ?

 

[Leon Lucius Black]

well huh, hum... wich one is it ?

Well huh, the replies were to two separate posts, for two separate years, hum

 

[Leon Lucius Black]

Do you think it's fair to single out last season ,considering how nearly everyone underperformed and was one of (if not the worst) season in our 100 year history?

Before last year his ppg had steadily gone up , as did his primary assists and gwg...I don't know about you but I see progression there.

His career high in points came during a season where we won 21 of the last 59 games we played and most of the team underperformed. He played in the top six most of the year and got 3 minutes a game and still didn't get 20 goals, he had as many even strength goals as Nicolas Deslauriers.

His primary assists by year are as follows: 14 (in 48 games), 13, 15, 16, 16, 16.. that isn't really progression.

Whether at centre or on the wing, watching him play on the ice his game hasn't progressed much. Blame goes to the plug dinosaur coaches we've had since he's been here and blame goes to him as well as he has the same flaws in his game that he did as an 18 year old.