Jon Cooper says Kadri goal shouldn’t have counted, but wouldn’t say why

[josra33]

Yeah but none of them gained position to make the game winning shot.

Tampa has a grievance. It won't result in anything but a lose. But they definitely have the right to feel cheated. I felt that way about Landeskog jumping over boards against San Jose.

If that’s the case then call both teams. 4 on 4. We got called earlier in the series for a too many men without having the puck. Very similar to what Tampa did just now.

 

[hockeyfanplayer]

Damn that puck looks like it's about 18million over the cap

But was kucherov cross checked on the play? Did someone check hedman?

 

[Stammertime91]

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Yeah I think he's grasping.


But then on the other hand, I love the Isles lost both years so it makes stomaching this one a-ok!

Congrats Avs fans! gg!

 

[stl76]

Colorado was called for too many men earlier in the series without touching the puck. It was a delayed call because we had too many men while the other team had the puck. Might want to learn the whole rule.

See "impacting the play". Also the rule clearly states the refs have discretion on calling it. Not really interested in going back and forth about this, have a nice night.

 

[Oil Gauge]

I've dissected every angle. I'm convinced that Kadri is supposed to be changing for Nichushkin. Nichushkin is exiting the zone in the direction of the bench. Kadri is anxious to jump on because he sees the transition opportunity so he goes a little early (if Nichushkin proceeds to the bench). At the same time, NIchushkin turns away from the bench because he also sees the transition happening. Then Mackinnon skates to the bench. So it appears like Kadri jumped on way way way early for Mackinnon but I don't think the intention was even to change for Mackinnon.

Id agree with this. Looks like he thought Nichushkin was changing and jumped on but then Mackinnon came off instead. Still too many men

 

[MaKarter]

If that’s the case then call both teams. 4 on 4. We got called earlier in the series for a too many men without having the puck. Very similar to what Tampa did just now.

We got called before playing the puck before because the bad change led to a clear advantage. This one wasn't as clear so we got away with it.

All I am saying is it sucks to be on Tampa's side of it. It happens. But it sucks.

 

[josra33]

See "impacting the play". Also the rule clearly states the refs have discretion on calling it. Not really interested in going back and forth about this, have a nice night.

The earlier one in the series didn’t impact the play either. Don’t recall Tampa having a problem then.

 

[katfude]

I can't speak for other teams, but the Lightning have been called for like 5 Too Many Men penalties so far this postseason.

Let's not act like there's suddenly zero precedent for making this call.

The reality is the refs simply missed it or refused to call anything at a certain point of the game. Neither is acceptable.

There's plenty more precedent for this NOT being called than there is for it getting called, and I know, because the Avs have taken a NUMBER of TMM this season and and very important times in the playoffs. Zero sympathy.

Again, you want this called, sure, but the league has to set a tone and enforce it consistently.

 

[Antiramie]

We got called before playing the puck before because the bad change led to a clear advantage. This one wasn't as clear so we got away with it.

All I am saying is it sucks to be on Tampa's side of it. It happens. But it sucks.

It's definitely a factor in winning a Cup. You have to get some breaks/luck in addition to playing well.

We've had our fair share of shit going our way in the past.

But it definitely still stings to go from a possible OT PP that could change momentum/even the series when we've been getting handled to giving up the GWG and going down 3-1 in the series.

 

[Oil Gauge]

See "impacting the play". Also the rule clearly states the refs have discretion on calling it. Not really interested in going back and forth about this, have a nice night.

Yes they have discretion, but Kadri was at least 55 feet away from the bench when he played the puck with Mackinnon on the ice, at that point if you didn't call it you missed it, its not discretion. I can see how they could miss this, the puck turns around pretty quickly. It goes from a situation where they will allow a lazy change all season long to a 1 on 1 game winning goal pretty quickly.

We got called before playing the puck before because the bad change led to a clear advantage. This one wasn't as clear so we got away with it.

All I am saying is it sucks to be on Tampa's side of it. It happens. But it sucks.

Its a clear advantage, it may have gotten muddied up with the puck being at the other end, and it probably wasn't clear at the time. But they did clearly get a pretty substantial advantage.

 

[Antiramie]

There's plenty more precedent for this NOT being called than there is for it getting called, and I know, because the Avs have taken a NUMBER of TMM this season and and very important times in the playoffs. Zero sympathy.

Again, you want this called, sure, but the league has to set a tone and enforce it consistently.

All the league has to do is call shit by the book all the time instead of deciding at some arbitrary point in a game that only a decapitation is a penalty.

 

[MaKarter]

It's definitely a factor in winning a Cup. You have to get some breaks/luck in addition to playing well.

We've had our fair share of shit going our way in the past.

But it definitely still stings to go from a possible OT PP that could change momentum/even the series when we've been getting handled to giving up the GWG and going down 3-1 in the series.

Every play is so important. It is impossible to not have crazy moments like that.

It doesn't mean Tampa is any less of a team, or the refs want the Avs to win. Just crazy shit.

What a series.

 

[huerter]

All the league has to do is call shit by the book all the time instead of deciding at some arbitrary point in a game that only a decapitation is a penalty.

Again I ask, does this mean they have to put 5' line indicators at the benches?

 

[katfude]

All the league has to do is call shit by the book all the time instead of deciding at some arbitrary point in a game that only a decapitation is a penalty.

Oh I 100% agree. I don't like that things suddenly become not penalties because of the playoffs, or game management.

But every team in the league makes these changes constantly and they rarely get called. Is that right? Doesn't matter. It's just not enforced very often at all.

 

[MaKarter]

Yes they have discretion, but Kadri was at least 55 feet away from the bench when he played the puck with Mackinnon on the ice, at that point if you didn't call it you missed it, its not discretion. I can see how they could miss this, the puck turns around pretty quickly. It goes from a situation where they will allow a lazy change all season long to a 1 on 1 game winning goal pretty quickly.



Its a clear advantage, it may have gotten muddied up with the puck being at the other end, and it probably wasn't clear at the time. But they did clearly get a pretty substantial advantage.

Right. It was an advantage that led to the game winner.

But it wasn't "clear" because it was missed. It was sneaky and lucky.

 

[Chips]

Seriously gents and ladies, and 'other'....

Go track this from A to Zed, like follow his initial presser. He first presents a morose affect (good words, look them up if...). Like presents a shocked and wants the world to be shocked with him... posture.

So we are immediately supposed to be drawn into his shocked-ed-ness. Lots of dramatic, tempestuous pauses. Then meanders around some half sentences, half phrases, and eventually lands on, brace yourselves.... cap space. I am not kidding. I'd explain it if I could. But best just visit on that couple of minutes of... you have got to be kidding me sheit.

I mean, it's one thing to be down about a loss. It's another to go down into a depressed rabbit hole.

But, cap space had an impact on the Avs winning goal when you had more men on the ice than the Avs?

I've seen some wrenching loser speechifying before. But seriously have never seen so many connected dots that masterfully and successfully unravel a career than this. That is unless one counts Trump's endless big lie which I trust will get me kicked out of this area for awhile. No politics I know.

But that is how cluster fvcky Cooper's entire post game was. Not the least of which was spinning his version up, then walking out before his punch line. It is one of the more dismal, depressing post game wraps in any sport, ever.

Hopefully for them, his people will be able to spin this away from the players because good lord... no way would I want any player, ever, to own that spiel from a coach.

That was as messy as it gets. Cap space? Seriously Copper? Seriously?

Note to Avalanche media... pose this as much as you can to any Cooper Q&A. Make him 'splain his logic.

*when hate becomes delusion* (or did I misread a joke? Please?)



Ever hear of coping? Maybe Cooper is a genuinely emotional, invested man (seriously, listen to his big-picture interviews, and watch any of this or the last two years behind the scenes playoff shows.. whether he’s happy or sad, he’s just that kind of guy.) and was genuinely emotional and hadn’t accepted the loss yet. Yea gamesmanship happens too, but not on some grand mastermind level you’re making it out to be.

 

[BlueMed]

Tampa had more players on the ice than the Avs…

They didn't have possession of the puck though. That's the difference.

 

[benedictTavares]

And there it is

That is not what "admitting" looks like. lol

 

[Ducati Boy]

We were cap compliant all season long. We earned this one.

I don’t get it. What makes you think TB was not cap compliant?

Am I missing something here or were you responding to a Vegas or Florida fan?

 

[Hank Plank]

Cooper is onto something here, no matter what Avs fans will say.

You mean on something.

 

[Play]

I'm sure he would have had the exact same opinion if it had been his team scoring under these circumstances ...

He probably would have the same response to be honest, except he probably would have finished the interview. I think you’re forgetting Cooper is a noble man.

 

[Master P]

That is not what "admitting" looks like. lol

You think the NHL would ever admit to making a mistake? Lol

 

[PAZ]

I can't speak for other teams, but the Lightning have been called for like 5 Too Many Men penalties so far this postseason.

Let's not act like there's suddenly zero precedent for making this call.

The reality is the refs simply missed it or refused to call anything at a certain point of the game. Neither is acceptable.

Would you have rather the game be decided by special teams? This game wouldn't have made it to OT with all the non-calls that went on in the 3rd.

 

[BurnabyJoe7]

I don't think I've seen a team whine more than Tampa. Shut up and take the L. the avs were manhandling them that entire OT. If that didnt count they still wouldn't be playing because the avs would have scored 5 mins later.

 

[Terry Yake]

to win a title, you have to have everything go your way

this is one example of that