Confirmed with Link: John Chayka named Arizona Coyotes GM
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Murf
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All the hand-wringing about age - relax. IA has basically told the world that Tippett is the Boss, so logically the new GM is going to be Tippett's gopher. All the gopher needs to do is collect all the data from the scouts, drop it into his spreadsheet, present it to the Boss and then go do the Boss's bidding. It doesn't take a 50 year old with 25 years experience to do this. This particular gopher has extra cool spreadsheets, so yeah, why not?
You realize he would likely play second fiddle to DT, right? That's why most are uncomfortable with this. Hard to imagine this guy trying to tell DT what to do and what our direction will be.
Murf
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If we accept that he is second fiddle to DT, then why would management select someone that will launch power struggle? Chayka is a logical choice if DT is the de facto GM.
kihekah19*
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It's certainly nothing to be enthused about.
Reminds me of several years ago during the Gretzky era. Team held a get together Q&A for sth's that hadn't yet reupped, I had reupped, but my rep invited me anyway. Real nice affair at Flemmings with free drinks and food - point being ol' Jerry didn't mind spending some quan. I digress.... Amongst the absurd and common questions / complaints - hell someone griped that Howler didn't come to their section enough
anyhow, I again digress - one of the questions was basically about getting Gretzky out from behind the bench and GMDM's responds was that it's difficult for him to comment "because he's my boss".Yeah, not the good set up.
kihekah19*
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Fortunately they haven't done anything yet.
Maybe they can crawl back to Don. Mould be good practice for crawling back to the COG!
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Murf
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It's probably not practical from a time management perspective. Tip can't disappear to Boca Raton for 5 days while the season is on. It's a rough job, but someone has to do it.
kihekah19*
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Send the assistant? Good point though, probably can't even do that in this day and age.
RemoAZ
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I think with everything that's happened so far this off season, winning the lottery has become even more important. That makes the path pretty clear. I don't see how you don't go full youth movement at that point with the top player in the draft along with two or three of our current prospects making the club. If we're stuck at 7th or later, the new DM collective probably puts their stamp on the club with a sledge hammer. Could be scary.
RemoAZ
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Fortunately they haven't done anything yet.
Maybe they can crawl back to Don. Mould be good practice for crawling back to the COG!
I think I'd be one of the few here that would celebrate those moves.
RemoAZ
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http://thehockeywriters.com/jesse-puljujarvi-challenging-auston-matthews-for-1st-pick-in-2016-draft/
Article is a few months old but there's a highlight video at the end.
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BUX7PHX
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The other side to all of this is that maybe b/c Chayka and Tippett have similar focuses in their measurements of analytics, decisions will be made easier going forward. It has been said that Tippett had his own analytics that he put together as a coach (probably not to the level of what Chayka has put together), so if the parts that Tippett favors are similar to Chayka's reporting, then we can't necessarily consider that a bad thing.
Secondly, people were talking about experience on Chayka's end. Well, if the NHL ownership truly is an "old boy's club," I would venture to say that we are in an advantage in that sense. In discussing players, there may be teams that have a distinct lack of analytical information of players on their own teams and other teams. Those teams may have management who is a little higher on the eye test to evaluate players and we know that the eye test can definitely fool some teams. With the profound nature of Chayka's data, I doubt that we will ever be taken in any trade.
The only difficult thing right now is b/c Chayka was hired this past offseason, he has no direct involvement with some of the pick-ups made by Maloney last year at the deadline (Duclair, Letunov, etc.). I think that if any of the prospects do wind up getting traded, it is b/c there is something within the predictive modeling that drives the need to move player A vs. players B, C, D, and E.
Secondly, people were talking about experience on Chayka's end. Well, if the NHL ownership truly is an "old boy's club," I would venture to say that we are in an advantage in that sense. In discussing players, there may be teams that have a distinct lack of analytical information of players on their own teams and other teams. Those teams may have management who is a little higher on the eye test to evaluate players and we know that the eye test can definitely fool some teams. With the profound nature of Chayka's data, I doubt that we will ever be taken in any trade.
The only difficult thing right now is b/c Chayka was hired this past offseason, he has no direct involvement with some of the pick-ups made by Maloney last year at the deadline (Duclair, Letunov, etc.). I think that if any of the prospects do wind up getting traded, it is b/c there is something within the predictive modeling that drives the need to move player A vs. players B, C, D, and E.
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As someone who was very critical of Maloney up until the middle of this past season, I feel like I'm the recipient of "Be careful what you wish for." Just as I was warming up to the job DM did, he got sacked. I would be very curious it this sudden dismissal was over any one specific decision point disagreement, or if the ownership really wanted an analytics guy so bad that they were willing to eat $4. Certainly ownership has showed a willingness to eat salary.
Anyone familiar with Chayka's CV on the boards? I 'd like to know what his past rolls were prior to being hired on by the Coyotes, and how well he did in those roles.
Anyone familiar with Chayka's CV on the boards? I 'd like to know what his past rolls were prior to being hired on by the Coyotes, and how well he did in those roles.
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http://www.foxsports.com/arizona/story/arizona-coyotes-john-chayka-advanced-stats-assistant-general-manager-060815
Not certain if this story had been posted already when Chayka was hired, but gives his background and starts to paint a picture regarding analytics on our team.
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Your whole post was great, but I wanted to address this last part. I would actually not have much problem with this scenario playing out. I think Newell Brown would be a great head coach. I'm not quite so sure about Tippett as GM. Tippett has some distinct biases about player evaluation that he tries to overcome by using his own analytics system, to his credit. I wish he were more inclined to move away from the "Friends of Tippett" mentality, but in fairness Maloney had his own "friends network" (see: basically only making trades with two or three teams, signing or trading for guys who he knew from the Rangers system early on instead of scouting other assets, etc.) so it's not like he was any better in that regard.
All that said, I'd wait to see how Tip would perform as a GM if he got the job before judging. Could be that once he switches hats he widens his worldview a bit beyond the "lotsa try" set, and by that time most of the guys he knew on the Stars will be retired.
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We need somebody like Rick Dudley and another Player Development Coordinator
Dudley is one of the AGM's in Montreal, but oversees all of the scouting efforts.
If you have a Dudley type, Chayka, and a Player Development guy, you can evaluate and scout amateur talent for your team.
Also, knowing Chayka's background, I think he would be a good trade negotiator.
Like Dubas, he would read up on the CBA and everything
