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By all measure Ferland is much better than Tanev.
But Tanev is obviously better since he got a NTC
By all measure Ferland is much better than Tanev.
ferland probably sucks people. he will wallow in vancouver like countless others
Nobody said "guarantee". That's a strawman. "Entitlement mentality"? Huh? We are talking about Hunwick and especially Jack Johnson and to a lesser extent Tanev, Gud and Reeves. Those trades and signings are not optimal. The Brassard trade is of the type you are describing--a trade that doesn't work out. How does one defend an NHL GM that signs a 31yr old Jack Johnson to a five year $16M contract? 2 cups? Great, what have you done lately?How is he not maximizing those chances exactly? He’s been here 4 years & won 2 Cups. He spends to the max cap, makes trades left & right. Gives the coaching staff the resources needed to compete. He just retooled the lineup going younger & faster. That’s the very definition of maximizing chances. But perhaps the key word here is “chances”, not “guarantees”. No one is guaranteed a Cup, a lot has to go right. Likewise, not every signing is going to hit big. Craig Patrick traded Markus Naslund for Alex Stojanov & he was a great GM. I swear you guys & the entitlement mentality. This past decade has been the best in franchise history.
Nobody said "guarantee". That's a strawman. "Entitlement mentality"? Huh? We are talking about Hunwick and especially Jack Johnson and to a lesser extent Tanev, Gud and Reeves. Those trades and signings are not optimal. The Brassard trade is of the type you are describing--a trade that doesn't work out. How does one defend an NHL GM that signs a 31yr old Jack Johnson to a five year $16M contract? 2 cups? Great, what have you done lately?
I hate the JJ signing as much as anyone but it’s not the worst signing of all time. Noted Progressive Wonderkind Kyle Dubas is going to have Ceci on his roster this year. Ray PuckMoving Defenseman Shero gave up real assets for a worse JJ in Doug Murray. GM Flavor of the Month Doug Wilson gave up assets for RH JJ Roman Polak only to see him get turnstiled by HBK in the finals.
The key to two of those three is that they were rentals and gone shortly thereafter. We’re stuck with Johnson for a long time. That’s worse than giving up two seconds (the going rate for defenders back then) for a rental.
Source?
I’d say it’s more likely than not he’s dealt. Assets that are equivalent to the price guys like Shero and Wilson payed for their scrub defensemen?The likelihood is more than not. And if they're not there’s a high chance they’re parting with valuable assets to offload him.
Yeah he can't, cause he actually doesn't have the career stats to say it.Galchenyuk isn’t as bad as Kessel defensively and probably won’t tell Sullivan to **** off if/when demoted.
Yeah he can't, cause he actually doesn't have the career stats to say it.
Nobody said "guarantee". That's a strawman. "Entitlement mentality"? Huh? We are talking about Hunwick and especially Jack Johnson and to a lesser extent Tanev, Gud and Reeves. Those trades and signings are not optimal. The Brassard trade is of the type you are describing--a trade that doesn't work out. How does one defend an NHL GM that signs a 31yr old Jack Johnson to a five year $16M contract? 2 cups? Great, what have you done lately?
a) Yes he isGalchenyuk isn’t as bad as Kessel defensively and probably won’t tell Sullivan to **** off if/when demoted.
There were 30 other teams that passed up on Dzingel.
He was a scratch in the playoffs, I think it had to do with effort. Granted, Tortorella has a habit of scratching players. I'm not sure if you can 100% blame Rutherford on not signing certain guys. It seems like he and Sullivan communicated a lot this offseason what direction they want to go in, I'm sure Sullivan gave a list of players he'd want on this team and seeing how fast they signed Tanev, I'm guessing he was at the top.
Not one single letter of this is an excuse for paying him $3.5 million over six years with a NTC when he's a fourth line plug that can be had for way, way less if you're patient. ESPECIALLY when you're having cap troubles.
I never said I liked the contract, but obviously they liked they player and felt the need to pay a premium to get him.
It's not the first or last time something like that will happen. Acting like these kinds of contracts are paranormal only to one GM is ridiculous. I'm not defending it.
We are spoiled-we drafted 4 of the 5 best players between Gretzky and McDavid. We're like almost everyone else in that our GM does tons of stupid crap. Let's keep the needling pointed at Eastern PA where it belongslol. and we wonder why we're labeled as a spoiled fan base on these boards.
yeah, screw those 2 cups, JR will go down in history for signing the worst Free Agent contract evaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Rob Rossi said:Rutherford could be forgiven for beginning to believe he can deal his way out of anything. He has made 40 trades as the Penguins GM, including moving on from 15 players he had signed as UFAs or acquired in a previous trade... Perhaps there is no such thing as a big mistake for hockey’s master of moves.