Jeremy Colliton thread

[CallMeShaft]

Nothing will happen if you talk shit about Bowman and if you think there is some sort of 'Pro Bowman' conspiracy, I'm going to imagine you wear a tinfoil hat when you leave your house.

To prove nothing happens, let me just say "I DO NOT GIVE ONE SHIT ABOUT BOWMAN AND IF WE DON'T MAKE THE PLAYOFFS THIS SEASON, I'LL BE MORE THAN HAPPY SEEING HIS ASS GET DUMPED BY THIS ORGANIZATION".

If this post gets deleted or my account gets banned in the next 24 hours, feel free to claim this forum is 'Pro Bowman'. Otherwise, shut the hell up about it.

 

[Callidusblackhawk]

I'm fairly sure most of the "pro Bowman" crowd said before the year started that if the Hawks miss the playoffs again they wouldn't mind seeing him gone.

 

[CallMeShaft]

I'm fairly sure most of the "pro Bowman" crowd said before the year started that if the Hawks miss the playoffs again they wouldn't mind seeing him gone.

Those posters aren't 'pro Bowman', they are just the posters that try to act somewhat rationally.

 

[Kaners Bald Spot]

I'm fairly sure most of the "pro Bowman" crowd said before the year started that if the Hawks miss the playoffs again they wouldn't mind seeing him gone.

I'm pretty indifferent about Bowman at the moment. They could keep him around or fire him and I couldn't care less. Both moves are defensible.

 

[ColdSteel2]

Those posters aren't 'pro Bowman', they are just the posters that try to act somewhat rationally.

 

[ChiHawks10]

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Nah. It's pretty accurate. Logic and rationality escape many on here.

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

JC and Bowman need to go

There is no justification for keeping them

 

[BK]

JC and Bowman need to go

There is no justification for keeping them

This is fine BUT you have to have the right coach ready to come in and develop while working with the vets. This is not optional.

I think uncleelroy is a dumb but I have weird feeling he is right about Chelios being GM. Not because he is the right guy (he could be) but because McCub will want the hype from hiring him.

I think SB did a good job this summer but this season will get him axed.

 

[Kevin Musto]

I'm pro Bowman. The man brought us Strome.

 

[Toews2Bickell]

This is fine BUT you have to have the right coach ready to come in and develop while working with the vets. This is not optional.

I think uncleelroy is a dumb but I have weird feeling he is right about Chelios being GM. Not because he is the right guy (he could be) but because McCub will want the hype from hiring him.

I think SB did a good job this summer but this season will get him axed.

Chelios does have some FO experience from his time working as an advisor for Detroit. I really hope they can keep Kelley around if Stan goes. Barry Smith might be another big loss.

 

[RememberTheRoar]

This is fine BUT you have to have the right coach ready to come in and develop while working with the vets. This is not optional.

I think uncleelroy is a dumb but I have weird feeling he is right about Chelios being GM. Not because he is the right guy (he could be) but because McCub will want the hype from hiring him.

I think SB did a good job this summer but this season will get him axed.

f***, you’re more than likely right about this

 

[Artorius Horus T]

 

[RememberTheRoar]

Thoughts on Jim Montgomery replacing him?

 

[Artorius Horus T]

Thoughts on Jim Montgomery replacing him?

 

[Toews2Bickell]

****, you’re more than likely right about this

Norm MacIver seems like a natural pick if they keep it internal

 

[Fire Stan Bowman]

This is fine BUT you have to have the right coach ready to come in and develop while working with the vets. This is not optional.

I think uncleelroy is a dumb but I have weird feeling he is right about Chelios being GM. Not because he is the right guy (he could be) but because McCub will want the hype from hiring him.

I think SB did a good job this summer but this season will get him axed.

thanks boo

 

[Hawkaholic]

2017/18 Hawks save % .911

2019/2020 save % .921

Keep reaching

You're right, the goalies I listed are definitely as good as the goalies JC has had this year. Imagine this years team without Lehner and Crawford? LOL Might be the worst team in the league.

 

[Backyard Hockey]

Like I've said in the GDT, I predicted JC fired before end of year. I stand by that prediction.

I also said Bowman fired after the end of the season if they don't make the playoffs (3 straight years). They won't and he will. I stand by that one as well.

 

[RememberTheRoar]

You're right, the goalies I listed are definitely as good as the goalies JC has had this year. Imagine this years team without Lehner and Crawford? LOL Might be the worst team in the league.

It’s close to being the worst even with them.

 

[RememberTheRoar]

Like I've said in the GDT, I predicted JC fired before end of year. I stand by that prediction.

I also said Bowman fired after the end of the season if they don't make the playoffs (3 straight years). They won't and he will. I stand by that one as well.

I think you’re right. I also think Bowman is fired sooner at this point

 

[Hawkaholic]

2017/18 33 shots against per game average

2019/20 35 shots against per game average

Context?

JC – 97games
HDCA – 1062 (last)
PDO – 1.007 (9th)
HDSV% - 0.8544% (4th)

Q – last 97 games
HDCA – 958 (4th last)
PDO – 0.989 (8th last)
HDSV% - 0.8384% (8th)

So we have had more high danger chances against, a higher sv% and sh% combined, and a better high danger save % under JC than we had under Q.

Now, let’s throw out last season for JC, considering the change mid-season, no time to implement his system, etc.
JC this year
HDCA/GP – 10.22
PDO – 1.004
HDSV% - 0.852%

Q’s last 97GP
HDCA/GP = 9.87
PDO – 0.989 (8th last)
HDSV% - 0.8384% (8th)

What improvements in those stats do you see with JC at the helm?

This isn’t a post supporting Q, or saying we should have him back, or defending him. It’s simply showing that nothing has improved with a coaching change. Like I have said for a few years now, it’s the players that are the problem, not the coaching. People can go back and find quotes of me saying that, and getting shit on by posters claiming Q was the issue.

 

[Hawkaholic]

I mean JC had garbage goaltending last year as well. So it is a wash.

He's had 31 out of 97 games of some of the best goaltending in the entire NHL. It's not even close to a wash.

 

[Illinihockey]

Colliton just needs 6-12 more months for everyone to understand his very complex system. NHL players just can't pick this stuff up on the fly.

 

[Backyard Hockey]

JC – 97games
HDCA – 1062 (last)
PDO – 1.007 (9th)
HDSV% - 0.8544% (4th)

Q – last 97 games
HDCA – 958 (4th last)
PDO – 0.989 (8th last)
HDSV% - 0.8384% (8th)

So we have had more high danger chances against, a higher sv% and sh% combined, and a better high danger save % under JC than we had under Q.

Now, let’s throw out last season for JC, considering the change mid-season, no time to implement his system, etc.
JC this year
HDCA/GP – 10.22
PDO – 1.004
HDSV% - 0.852%

Q’s last 97GP
HDCA/GP = 9.87
PDO – 0.989 (8th last)
HDSV% - 0.8384% (8th)

What improvements in those stats do you see with JC at the helm?

This isn’t a post supporting Q, or saying we should have him back, or defending him. It’s simply showing that nothing has improved with a coaching change. Like I have said for a few years now, it’s the players that are the problem, not the coaching. People can go back and find quotes of me saying that, and getting **** on by posters claiming Q was the issue.

Not to mention, the roster is much better this season (more talent).

Imagine if Crow and Lehner haven't been playing the way the have. As of now, Hawks have the 5th worst record in the NHL. Not sure if they'd be as bad as NJ with 23 points and the DET trainwreck with 17, but they'd definitely be below LA at 26 and OTT at 27.

That's really bad.

 

[Hattrick Kane]

I know the defensive core was never great, but good lord how can anyone put together a system where we give up 45 shots a night and leave guys wide open in the slot?

Imagine if we had fired Q and hired Trotz when he was available. One can dream. The Colliton experiment is a complete failure.