Player Discussion Jeff Gorton Part II

[Kaapo Hollweg]

let’s see what he can accomplish when he doesn’t inherit a Richard winning center and a Norris level defenseman

Fair enough. Two star players don't constitute a President's Trophy winning team though. As Toronto fans would tell you...

 

[True Blue]

This TDL & possible draft day moves are what I believe to be the last of the asset gathering that Gorton will be doing. Think it is pretty pivotal for him. But it does not seem like he goes into panic mode. Ever.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Kreider staying

 

[JT Kreider]

Car accident wtf

 

[JT Kreider]

Jesus

 

[Crease]

Kreider at $6.5 million.
Skjei's full contract off the books for a 1st.

I think Gorton did a good job here. Especially with an unexpected car accident throwing a wrench in likely discussions about Buch, Hank, and Georgiev.

 

[True Blue]

Kreider at $6.5 million.
Skjei's full contract off the books for a 1st.

I think Gorton did a good job here. Especially with an unexpected car accident throwing a wrench in what were likely discussions about Buch, Hank, and Georgiev.

I give him a B for today. Things I like and things I do not. And some do not fully understand. Don't like the 7 years, but I admited last week that I would sign him for 6 at $6.5.

I understand the trading of Sjeki, but at the same time am a bit fearful of what this defense will look like for the rest of the year.

With the moves that were made, I think that finding a partner for both Trouba and DeAngelo become the paramount moves that need to be sorted out during offseason.

 

[Ghost of jas]

I give him a B for today. Things I like and things I do not. And some do not fully understand. Don't like the 7 years, but I admited last week that I would sign him for 6 at $6.5.

I understand the trading of Sjeki, but at the same time am a bit fearful of what this defense will look like for the rest of the year.

With the moves that were made, I think that finding a partner for both Trouba and DeAngelo become the paramount moves that need to be sorted out during offseason.

Preferred not to go to 7, but, if Kreider was going to take $6.5 million AAV, the Rangers had to concede on years. This is called a compromise. (Not directed at you, TB.)

As for Skjei's departure from the D, I really don't see a big dropoff to Smith. Trouba has been much worse when paired with Skjei. So, either, the Rangers climb back in the lottery picture, or continue to push for a playoff spot. This year remains house money.

My only disappointment, aside from Shesty getting hurt, is not moving Fast, but, if there wasn't a deal to be made, so be it.

 

[NYRFANMANI]

No complaints from me. Good job Grotans.

Sure we could have gotten something from Fast. But hell, sign him cheap and maybe move him next year?

 

[NYRangers0723]

No complaints from me. Good job Grotans.

Absolutely. According to some this is Gorton’s worst day as a GM lol

 

[NYRFANMANI]

Absolutely. According to some this is Gorton’s worst day as a GM lol

Ridiculously overvaluing Skjei - who is on a bad contract and his only value - to me - was to be given to Seattle at the expansion draft.

Ridiculously overreacting on year 6 and 7 on the Kreids deal.

 

[NYRangers0723]

Ridiculously overvaluing Skjei - who is on a bad contract and his only value - to me - was to be given to Seattle at the expansion draft.

Ridiculously overreacting on year 6 and 7 on the Kreids deal.

Agreed. I loved Skjei when we drafted him and his first two years but ever since he has regressed. We can now sign Tony D and have more draft capital. As for Kreider he took less money and I don’t buy this “he is gonna break down in 2-3 years” stuff. Like I mentioned in a earlier thread I’m almost 37 and I play basketball with20-22 year old college kids every week and I blend i never have any issues keeping up and I many cases being faster. So it’s a myth that your skills/physical gifts disappear at 30 lol

 

[shello]

Agreed. I loved Skjei when we drafted him and his first two years but ever since he has regressed. We can now sign Tony D and have more draft capital. As for Kreider he took less money and I don’t buy this “he is gonna break down in 2-3 years” stuff. Like I mentioned in a earlier thread I’m almost 37 and I play basketball with20-22 year old college kids every week and I blend i never have any issues keeping up and I many cases being faster. So it’s a myth that your skills/physical gifts disappear at 30 lol

I'm just hoping DeAngelo doesn't fade away like Skjei did. Tony is older than Skjei was when he started to regress but it seems to be a trend. Del Zotto, Skjei, DeAngelo. Hoping he can keep it up

 

[NYRFANMANI]

So it’s a myth that your skills/physical gifts disappear at 30 lol

Specially ironic considering our "athletic freak of nature"-narrative surrounding Kreider. He should be skating like the wind till he's 40 by that narrative.

 

[FireGerardGallant]

Dropped the ball on fast
Mixed on Kreider and skjei but im more positive on the skjei move.

 

[Ghost of jas]

Kreider at $6.5 million.
Skjei's full contract off the books for a 1st.

I think Gorton did a good job here. Especially with an unexpected car accident throwing a wrench in likely discussions about Buch, Hank, and Georgiev.

Cap space to extend DeAngelo.

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

Absolutely. According to some this is Gorton’s worst day as a GM lol

They loved him when they were convinced he was gonna trade Kreider though. But now he’s an idiot.

 

[aufheben]

I was 50% on trading Kreider, and 100% on trading Skjei, so I give this day a 75/100.

 

[motopanekeku]

Im officially on the record as a Gorton supporter. Everybody *****ing on his decisions today sound like whiny old men that complain about the weather no matter what it's actually like outside.

 

[JohnC]

I give him a B for the day. Too many years for Kreider but good AAV. Getting rid of Skjei without having to retain any $. Not going to lose any sleep for maybe missing out on a 3rd for Jesper Fast.

 

[NYRangers0723]

I give him a B for the day. Too many years for Kreider but good AAV. Getting rid of Skjei without having to retain any $. Not going to lose any sleep for maybe missing out on a 3rd for Jesper Fast.

. One extra year but he took less money so it evens out. With Skjei gone people probably don’t have to worry about Tony D anymore because we can pay him.

 

[NYRangers0723]

They loved him when they were convinced he was gonna trade Kreider though. But now he’s an idiot

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let’s be honest the return was probably gonna be shit. I guarantee you if we traded him for a subpar return those same people would have been pissed but that was the reality. Damned if you do damned if you don’t lol

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I give him a B for the day. Too many years for Kreider but good AAV. Getting rid of Skjei without having to retain any $. Not going to lose any sleep for maybe missing out on a 3rd for Jesper Fast.

I give him a B for the week.

Keane for Gauthier was a very good trade.

Kreider deal is great on the AAV, horrible on the term.

Skjei return seemed a little light for me at first, but theres a chance for it to turn into an absolute laugher of a steal, albeit a small one. I dig the seemingly obvious commitment to DeAngelo that is coming.

 

[will1066]

Clearing Skjei's cap hit and term made the Kreider deal much more palatable in my eyes.

We will have to continue to live with Kreider's frurstrating inconsistencies, but he is a vital cog in the machine. I think losing him would've dealt a big blow to Mika and Buch and the power play. Gorton also mentioned his off-ice leadership during the presser. I wouldn't have felt bad losing him if it didn't hurt Mika's headspace and potentially his on-ice performance. Mika can handle himself on the ice, but Buch is more reliant on Kreider to sustain his level of play.

 

[Maximus]

Gorton did a good job today. He basically did what he had to do.

Way I look at it is he needed to not screw up and that was accomplished. He was in a tough spot with Kreider as he had to walk a fine line of not getting enough for him and not giving in too much....he did that!

And for that I give him credit as the 6.5 x 7 is about as good as we could have hoped for those who wanted to keep Kreider like moi as I think he's going to be an integral piece when we are true Cup contenders which looking at the trajectory looks like it should be 2022. So I'm more than fine with the Kreider deal.

I'm also more than fine with the Skjei deal getting a #1 overall from Carolina. I gotta be honest, I didn't know or think it was a sure thing that Gorton was going to be able to convince any team to offer up a #1 for Skeji seeing he really hasn't been all that good since his rookie year.

So kudos for that and getting Gautier for Keane works for me as well.

So overall, I give Gorton a B+ and depending upon who we get in the draft with the Carolina pick, that grade could go higher.

Not sure how anyone can criticize Gorton for what he did today...I really don't. He did what he needed to do and the Rangers are going forward, a better team for what occurred to day.