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for whatever reason if he doesn't sign here I see him as a potential Bruin
God damn... I can totally picture that as well... And it feels like it would be a great fit too, unfortunately..
for whatever reason if he doesn't sign here I see him as a potential Bruin
God damn... I can totally picture that as well... And it feels like it would be a great fit too, unfortunately..
for whatever reason if he doesn't sign here I see him as a potential Bruin
No, White is paid based on an assumption that as a young player, he will continue to progress. Pageau will be paid based on the assumption that he will remain a certain level of play.
There contractual situations are so different it's strange to compare them. I guess if you think that White will top out at Pageau's level or close to it, then a fair deal for Pageau would be something close to what White is getting, but I'm fairly sure that White was expected by the team to develop into a better player than Pageau at the time he was signed.
edit: Worth noting, at least imo White has looked a lot better since returning from injury. I think something may have been nagging him early on this year, but that's just speculation.
What's uncommon is comparing RFA to UFA deals. If we were talking about two RFA on the same team, or two UFA on the same team, sure thing. But comparing a 27 year old UFA looking for a new deal to a deal signed coming off an ELC doesn't really make a lot of sense for the reasons that have been gone over ad-nauseum.
Same, Boston was rumoured to be in on him last year.for whatever reason if he doesn't sign here I see him as a potential Bruin
Not necessarily, I mean yes you are not wrong in principle but if you want to follow historical trend of UFA's getting paid more than comparable RFA's then the reality is their agent will look at what the team gave the RFA and demand that a UFA should get more on a contract.
If Pageau has a better season than White then there is no way that the Pageau camp would not use that as ammo to get paid more, it just does not make sense to ignore it simply due to the technicality of RFA vs UFA.
UFA's are paid based on what other teams are willing to pay them. Other teams won't look at White to determine the value of a similar UFA to Pageau, I mean, his agent can demand whatever he wants I suppose, it's just not the way things have typically been done when talking about comparables though. It's an apples and oranges comparison, and while you are right, in most cases UFA get paid more, it's not always the case. A UFA like Dzingel with back to back 20 goal seasons and a 56 pts season under his belt vs a guy coming off his ELC with back to back 20 goal seasons are going to be treated differently. The latter will see teams projecting bigger things and overpay now in an attempt to get value in the later portion of the contract. The former will get present day value.
White did confirm he was injured coming out of preseason and tried to play through it, but it got worse. White was part of the we've turned a corner image the Sens wanted to portray. They also wanted to get what they see is their young future core signed to longer term contracts. White was payed based on projection of what he will become and Pageau will be paid for what he is and what he has done.. This has been explained many times but does not seem to sink in.
If you can get him to agree to 4x4 I don't think there would be much opposition.Trading him at the deadline would bring us back to Ottawa trading away its key players.
Sign him 4x4.
He's part of the leadership group on this team.
I think Ottawa needs to sell high on Pageau, just going by what EM said a while back that they would soon have a team of 25 yr old players & younger could mean that Pageau would not be re-signed. We have to expect that Logan Brown & Colin White are going to be two of the centres for any future team, so there are two spots taken.
IMO Norris should be there as well & we could see him in Ottawa at the end of this season or more likely next season, although PD will need to move one if not both of Anisimov & Tierny to make some more room at centre. Chlapik is another guy who can play centre as well as LW, same for Paul, so they have plenty of centres & don't need Anisimov & Tierny. IMO L. Brown, White & Norris are three of the centres of the future for this team & the 4th line centre job could go to Paul, Chlapik or Kastelic. And of course this is not to mention that Pinto plays centre & the potential they could draft a centre in the 2020 or 2021 draft.
Being clogged at C is never a bad thing. Easier transition to move to wing, as an extreme example look at Team Canada lineups, feels like internationally we ice like 12 centres when the NHL is involved.Hopefully we get a few games here with Brown and White healthy at C in the lineup. If the Sens are set on playing White at C it makes Pager more expandable. They could sell high on Pager and even keep CT in the short term. I’m not convinced White doesn’t move to RW.
If we don’t draft a C and White struggles to carry the 2-3C slot moving Pager could be a mistake. On the other hand, we could draft Byfield, keep Pager and be clogged at C with Brown, White and Norris.
Being clogged at C is never a bad thing. Easier transition to move to wing, as an extreme example look at Team Canada lineups, feels like internationally we ice like 12 centres when the NHL is involved.
We will need to have a few players over the age of 25 if we want to be competitive eventually. Pageau is a core guy imo. He's been deep in the playoffs, he steps it up when it matters, he's a heart and soul guy in addition to being good at hockey.
Hopefully we get a few games here with Brown and White healthy at C in the lineup. If the Sens are set on playing White at C it makes Pager more expandable. They could sell high on Pager and even keep CT in the short term. I’m not convinced White doesn’t move to RW.
If we don’t draft a C and White struggles to carry the 2-3C slot moving Pager could be a mistake. On the other hand, we could draft Byfield, keep Pager and be clogged at C with Brown, White and Norris.
And he's 27 yrs old right now & the team is rebuilding & will likely be crappy for another few yrs which could take him 30 yrs old plus. I think they will deal him while his value is high & if he doesn't re-sign with the team that traded for him maybe there is an outside chance he re-signs here but I doubt it. At 27 yrs old he should be looking to set up himself & his family with the best contract he can get from whomever will give it to him. And I doubt that would be Ottawa.Being clogged at C is never a bad thing. Easier transition to move to wing, as an extreme example look at Team Canada lineups, feels like internationally we ice like 12 centres when the NHL is involved.
We will need to have a few players over the age of 25 if we want to be competitive eventually. Pageau is a core guy imo. He's been deep in the playoffs, he steps it up when it matters, he's a heart and soul guy in addition to being good at hockey.
And he's 27 yrs old right now & the team is rebuilding & will likely be crappy for another few yrs which could take him 30 yrs old plus. I think they will deal him while his value is high & if he doesn't re-sign with the team that traded for him maybe there is an outside chance he re-signs here but I doubt it. At 27 yrs old he should be looking to set up himself & his family with the best contract he can get from whomever will give it to him. And I doubt that would be Ottawa.
They will have a number of guys who are young now but slowly getting NHL experience like Tkachuk, White, Chabot, Paul, Wolanin & others wile young are getting that much needed experience that they can pass on to the young guys coming up.
I agree with you with the only exception being White move to RW, although it's possible I think his two way defensive play most likely keeps him at centre but it's possible. While Byfield might be a great top line centre he could also be a great top line LW & have him play with Logan Brown at centre who IMO is a slightly better playmaker. That would be a pretty big top line if we add Batherson on RW & hard to stop.
Byfield - Brown - Batherson
And he's 27 yrs old right now & the team is rebuilding & will likely be crappy for another few yrs which could take him 30 yrs old plus. I think they will deal him while his value is high & if he doesn't re-sign with the team that traded for him maybe there is an outside chance he re-signs here but I doubt it. At 27 yrs old he should be looking to set up himself & his family with the best contract he can get from whomever will give it to him. And I doubt that would be Ottawa.
They will have a number of guys who are young now but slowly getting NHL experience like Tkachuk, White, Chabot, Paul, Wolanin & others wile young are getting that much needed experience that they can pass on to the young guys coming up.