Speculation: JC and Hawks scouts at Sharks/Avs game

[jaysoneil]

Troll Hawks continue even a month after season ends.

He's probably just watching the game. I won't put much thought into it unless he's seen (with scouts) at another game.

 

[Illinihockey]

Agreed. I’m trying to illustrate how bad that contract is going to be. There was a poll awhile back and the consensus was something like 11M AAV over 7 years. That would be a disaster before he even takes the ice because he’s nowhere near an 11M player and the term is an even bigger issue.

What confuses me is why any team would give him a big deal. Everyone can see the impact the injuries have had.

Because he was good when he wasn't hurt. Some team will convince themselves it was just a year he got dinged in and that its not a long term issue.

 

[ColdSteel2]

Because he was good when he wasn't hurt. Some team will convince themselves it was just a year he got dinged in and that its not a long term issue.

Well, 2 years then. He hasn’t looked like EK65 since 16-17.

 

[Illinihockey]

Well, 2 years then. He hasn’t looked like EK65 since 16-17.

He had a CF% at evens of 59% this year which is freaking outrageous.

 

[ColdSteel2]

He had a CF% at evens of 59% this year which is freaking outrageous.

I assume that’s good. It’s his health that is the issue. He used to skate like wind and it was critical to his Norris seasons.

 

[Hawkaholic]

EK65 is obviously who they are looking at. Unfortunately he looks like old EK65 last game and so far tonight.

Why is that unfortunate?

 

[Illinihockey]

I assume that’s good. It’s his health that is the issue. He used to skate like wind and it was critical to his Norris seasons.

Insanely good. The highest of Keith's career was 57.3 in 09-10

 

[ChiHawks10]

Why is that unfortunate?

Because he(and I) don't want the Hawks to offer him a 7 year, $11m deal, and end up with Seabrook 2.0 in 2-3 years.

 

[ChiHawks10]

He had a CF% at evens of 59% this year which is freaking outrageous.

Insanely good. The highest of Keith's career was 57.3 in 09-10

You have to take into account the team's CF%. The Sharks, as a team, had a 55% CF%, which is insanely good.

 

[Illinihockey]

You have to take into account the team's CF%. The Sharks, as a team, had a 55% CF%, which is insanely good.

Right and he was a driver of that. Again by comparison the 09-10 Hawks had a 56.5% which I believe was the best they ever had.

 

[ChiHawks10]

Right and he was a driver of that. Again by comparison the 09-10 Hawks had a 56.5% which I believe was the best they ever had.

I still don't want to sign him to what he is going to command. $11m for 7 years is... going to be a bad contract in a few years. I'd just about guarantee it.

I really don't want to have to deal with the Seabrook arguments all over again in a couple years, and to me, it's pretty much inevitable that it goes that direction.

 

[Illinihockey]

I still don't want to sign him to what he is going to command. $11m for 7 years is... going to be a bad contract in a few years. I'd just about guarantee it.

I really don't want to have to deal with the Seabrook arguments all over again in a couple years, and to me, it's pretty much inevitable that it goes that direction.

I totally agree, I'm just saying why a team will sign him for that.

 

[Hawkaholic]

Because he(and I) don't want the Hawks to offer him an 7 year, $11m deal, and end up with Seabrook 2.0 in 2-3 years.

Fair enough, I don't want to sign him to that either, but I doubt he is Seabrook in 2-3 years. maybe in 5-6 years.

 

[AmericanDream]

it was reported on Hot Stove last week that EK turned down what likely would have been his most lucrative deal in Ottawa. they said "nobody" is going to offer EK 7 years nor at the price tag Ottawa was reportedly offering. this was from MacLean, Kypreos and some other dude I forgot..interesting if true that Ottawa would be the one that got bent over on the EK deal, now they are free of him and will let someone else make a massive mistake.

 

[Kevin Musto]

it was reported on Hot Stove last week that EK turned down what likely would have been his most lucrative deal in Ottawa. they said "nobody" is going to offer EK 7 years nor at the price tag Ottawa was reportedly offering. this was from MacLean, Kypreos and some other dude I forgot..interesting if true that Ottawa would be the one that got bent over on the EK deal, now they are free of him and will let someone else make a massive mistake.

Very interesting if true. EK might've f***ed himself over.

 

[AmericanDream]

Very interesting if true. EK might've ****ed himself over.

he bet on himself, and wanted out of that organization - can't really blame him for either, it's not like he isn't going to get a 5-6 year deal upwards of $10 mil though lol..he likely lost 1-2 years and about $1-1.5 mil per year, but someone is still going to go all stupid on him and offer him a ton.

 

[AmericanDream]

Hawks were scouting how many hot dogs Donskoi can eat in the press box - trying to get fair market value for what Seabs will be doing next year.

 

[Kevin Musto]

he bet on himself, and wanted out of that organization - can't really blame him for either, it's not like he isn't going to get a 5-6 year deal upwards of $10 mil though lol..he likely lost 1-2 years and about $1-1.5 mil per year, but someone is still going to go all stupid on him and offer him a ton.

I'm glad he left Ottawa. In an alternate reality where had stayed, we wouldn't have the 3rd overall pick.

 

[piteus]

it was reported on Hot Stove last week that EK turned down what likely would have been his most lucrative deal in Ottawa. they said "nobody" is going to offer EK 7 years nor at the price tag Ottawa was reportedly offering. this was from MacLean, Kypreos and some other dude I forgot..interesting if true that Ottawa would be the one that got bent over on the EK deal, now they are free of him and will let someone else make a massive mistake.

The hardest thing for any GM is to move on from an aging star. That's from Pat Riley. The Hawks extended Seabrook due to sentiment, not analysis. That's the not way to do good business. If Ottawa actually cared about winning, EK65 did them a favor.

Erik Karlsson will be 29 next year with major injury concerns. Lots of wear and tear on that body. The Hawks have 2 aging DMen making $13mn combined for numerous years. There's no way the Hawks want to add another long term contract of an aging DMen. That would be terrible roster management.

 

[ChiHawks10]

I still maintain the position that if the Hawks give EK a max term deal at 9-11m, Bowman needs to be fired immediately. I'll be all on board at that point.

 

[AmericanDream]

The hardest thing for any GM is to move on from an aging star. That's from Pat Riley. The Hawks extended Seabrook due to sentiment, not analysis. That's the not way to do good business. If Ottawa actually cared about winning, EK65 did them a favor.

Erik Karlsson will be 29 next year with major injury concerns. Lots of wear and tear on that body. The Hawks have 2 aging DMen making $13mn combined for numerous years. There's no way the Hawks want to add another long term contract of an aging DMen. That would be terrible roster management.

he turned down the only team that would offer him 8 years, I believe Ottawa did offer EK an 8 year deal, though someone more familiar with it might say it was 7.

the Sharks are no way in hell offering him 7 years or 8 IMO..so Karlsson now has to hope someone is so desperate to make a big splash that he gets a 7 year contract which IMO would be a fire able offense for any GM at this point not named Arizona (for cap purposes)...

 

[ClydeLee]

I still think him to Tampa may be his desire and that does open up the trade fronts at least

 

[bwana63]

Don't believe Bowman is interested in Karlsson. Not at the price/term he's going to get. Timo Meier OTOH...

 

[RayP]

I still think him to Tampa may be his desire and that does open up the trade fronts at least

I can’t imagine tampa would be interested, though.

 

[BK]

There is no way Stan is not interested. Anything over 4 years is too much.