Player Discussion Jay Beagle

[Melvin]

(Also July 2)

Same.

And it will be amusing to see the pro-Benning/anti-Gaunce crowd try to spin it when this guy shows himself to be an old, softer Gaunce at 5x the price.

Yep!

 

[strattonius]

I dont understand the leash Jay Beagle gets. Hes an average 4th liner, grossly over paid and over-rated.

 

[Cupless44]

Jay Beagle is another bad signing to way too much term.

8 points for 3 million.
Beagle, Motte, Eriksson line has ONE point between them in 16 games.
Between Sutter and Beagle, our 2 "checking centres" at 5 on 5, Canucks have been outscored this year 40 - 18 when they are on the ice.

Like all Benning's other bad signings to long contracts they will NOT get better with age. And the most annoying part is that anyone with common sense knew all these deals were bad the moment they were signed, except Jim Benning. Yet he runs a 730 million dollar hockey team.

 

[Intangibos]

Jay Beagle is another bad signing to way too much term.

8 points for 3 million.
Beagle, Motte, Eriksson line has ONE point between them in 16 games.
Between Sutter and Beagle, our 2 "checking centres" at 5 on 5, Canucks have been outscored this year 40 - 18 when they are on the ice.

Like all Benning's other bad signings to long contracts they will NOT get better with age. And the most annoying part is that anyone with common sense knew all these deals were bad the moment they were signed, except Jim Benning. Yet he runs a 730 million dollar hockey team.

Totally worth it though, definitely a huge upgrade in Gaunce since Beagle can chip in offensively

 

[Melvin]

Can we talk some more about the fact that this front office gave Jay Beagle a contract that is paid out 50% in signing bonus, which means that buying it out only reduces the cap hit by about 500K?

Jay
Motherf***ing
Beagle

Buyout-proof contract.

Jay Beagle

 

[HSD19]

Can we talk some more about the fact that this front office gave Jay Beagle a contract that is paid out 50% in signing bonus, which means that buying it out only reduces the cap hit by about 500K?

Jay
Mother****ing
Beagle

Buyout-proof contract.

Jay Beagle

Just depressing..is Rousell structured in the same way?

 

[Phenomenon13]

Just depressing..is Rousell structured in the same way?

Roussel has signing bonuses but it's not as heavily weighted as Beagles.

The problem with both is they have ntcs as well.

 

[Hit the post]

Just depressing..is Rousell structured in the same way?

At least Rousell is basically 'earning his pay'.

 

[Zombotron]

L-NTCs, but trade protection, yeah. Capfriendly says Beagle gets a 15-team NTC for this season and next, before it becomes a 5-team NTC in the two years after that. Same for Roussel.

 

[Cupless44]

Roussel has signing bonuses but it's not as heavily weighted as Beagles.

The problem with both is they have ntcs as well.

Just unbelievable

 

[Melvin]

L-NTCs, but trade protection, yeah. Capfriendly says Beagle gets a 15-team NTC for this season and next, before it becomes a 5-team NTC in the two years after that. Same for Roussel.

Remember how people used to whine about the same sort of thing given to Chris Higgins? But Higgins was a 40 point quality middle six player at the time, and they got him signed for only 2.5M in part because of the trade protection. How much does Beagle get without the trade protection? 4M? 5?

And I don't even necessarily think signing Higgins to that contract was the best move, but it's at least defensible, and every last person who grilled Gillis for giving him an NTC better be giving Benning the gears for giving one to Beagle.

 

[Burke's Evil Spirit]

As long as we're backpatting our July 1st, takes, here's mine:

This off-season for the Canucks is eerily reminiscent of what Steve Tambellini did on July 1st, 2011 when he signed a 33-year-old Eric Belanger to a 3 year deal, and Darcy Hordichuk to a 2 year deal. He went on and on about all the leadership and insulation he'd added but in reality Belanger was done 1 season in and Hordichuk was a total liability.
Steve Tambellini was Oilers for GM for 5 years. Benning's been here for 4...

Jay Beagle IS Eric Belanger. It's incredible! It's the exact same f***ing thing.

 

[VanJack]

Maybe Beagle is suffering through a delayed Stanley Cup hangover?.....his Corsi and zone possession numbers have basically collapsed in last 10 games or so. He's been on ice for eight more goals against than anyone else. Currently has two goals on the season; and one of those was shorthanded and the other empty-netter. So zero even strength goals.

Good gawd!....Gaunce could give us more than that for under a million bucks a season. And we're only in year one of this contract. In a couple of more years it could look as bad as Eriksson's.

That's why you have to be very fearful of what Jimbo might do on July 1st if his job is on the line.

 

[Melvin]

As long as we're backpatting our July 1st, takes, here's mine:


Jay Beagle IS Eric Belanger. It's incredible! It's the exact same ****ing thing.

Steve Tambelinni was signed to a short extension and then fired one season into it...

 

[Hit the post]

Steve Tambelinni was signed to a short extension and then fired one season into it...

Coilers are on another level of lunacy though.

 

[TruKnyte]

Coilers are on another level of lunacy though.

How far off are we from that now?

 

[Hit the post]

How far off are we from that now?

 

[me2]

Lol what?....St Louis and Boston were not projected to be bottom feeders at the beginning of the season..They had the depth at the beginning of the year to overcome it...Where were we predicted to finish where again?

Arizona are now in their 7th year into their rebuild (upon rebuild..3 trips to the playoffs in 15 years), and no post season play..and are 4 points ahead of the Canucks...Impressive.

The Canucks have made the playoffs just one more time than the Coyotes since 2012-13. We suck as bad as they do, only we spent to the cap and them to the floor.

 

[Melvin]

The Canucks have made the playoffs just one more time than the Coyotes since 2012-13. We suck as bad as they do, only we spent to the cap and them to the floor.

Plus they're still in it this year. Big game against Anaheim tonight.

 

[me2]

People act like injuries are this random act of god, but the Canucks have 4 guys who have had injury issues every-season for a long time now (Edler, Sutter, Baertschi, Tanev). That they keep bringing these guys back over and over again (including talking about extending Edler and Tanev) is their own fault.

Aside from those 4, the Canucks have a pretty conventional injury profile.

We have lost 13 games of Tanev. Just 13.

We have lost 26 of Edler. decent but non fatal.

Sutter - 3/4 centre. MEH.

Baertschi - middle 6 tweener. Easily survivable by a decent team. Roussel has him covered.

Virtanen - 58 games, just 8 lost.

The talk of injury decimation is completely overblown. Any decent team would have been able to cover these loses and carry on, a fringe team would take a small hit, a scrub team would collapse.

What was the excuse when the team as 11-16-3? This team's record lives or dies with Markstrom's save %.

 

[VanJack]

Jay Beagle is another bad signing to way too much term.

8 points for 3 million.
Beagle, Motte, Eriksson line has ONE point between them in 16 games.
Between Sutter and Beagle, our 2 "checking centres" at 5 on 5, Canucks have been outscored this year 40 - 18 when they are on the ice.

Like all Benning's other bad signings to long contracts they will NOT get better with age. And the most annoying part is that anyone with common sense knew all these deals were bad the moment they were signed, except Jim Benning. Yet he runs a 730 million dollar hockey team.

I really thought that Eriksson contract would be the back-breaker as far as the Canucks were concerned. Never again would they offer money and term to a player in his 30's.

But some lessons are hard to learn I guess. When Beagle and his agent came looking for four years, the Canucks should have passed. You'll never convince me they would have been any worse off this year simply employing Gaunce as their fourth-line center, or maybe just keeping Gaudette up with the big club all year.

 

[member 290103]

Jay Beagle is another bad signing to way too much term.

8 points for 3 million.
Beagle, Motte, Eriksson line has ONE point between them in 16 games.
Between Sutter and Beagle, our 2 "checking centres" at 5 on 5, Canucks have been outscored this year 40 - 18 when they are on the ice.

Like all Benning's other bad signings to long contracts they will NOT get better with age. And the most annoying part is that anyone with common sense knew all these deals were bad the moment they were signed, except Jim Benning. Yet he runs a 730 million dollar hockey team.

There's far too much stock put in the fact Beagle played on teams that happened to win and that he is "good in the room." That's been the major failing of both Benning and Linden. Their main objective is to simply acquire players that are what they believe to be "good guys."

Is Jay Beagle that much better a guy that Brendan Gaunce? Do players on the team really come to work and thank god they have the leadership of Jay Beagle to guide them through their games? Does everyone really think that the Capitals don't win the Cup last year with Jay Beagle in the lineup?

 

[Melvin]

As long as we're backpatting our July 1st, takes, here's mine:


Jay Beagle IS Eric Belanger. It's incredible! It's the exact same ****ing thing.

Haha, I just pointed that out yesterday. I was definitely remembering your post.

In trying to avoid being the new Oilers they have followed the exact path of the Oilers. It's uncanny.

 

[ErrantShepherd]

Remember how people used to whine about the same sort of thing given to Chris Higgins? But Higgins was a 40 point quality middle six player at the time, and they got him signed for only 2.5M in part because of the trade protection. How much does Beagle get without the trade protection? 4M? 5?

And I don't even necessarily think signing Higgins to that contract was the best move, but it's at least defensible, and every last person who grilled Gillis for giving him an NTC better be giving Benning the gears for giving one to Beagle.

Higgins you could argue earned a bit of leeway.

I mean... I can rationalize value out of Beagle, but by God... the more you dig into it, the more blatantly bad his contract becomes. These contracts Benning keeps giving out, who the hell is structuring them? Who is the guy now that Gilman is gone?

...last regime had a decent reason for giving out NTCs and NMCs, it was to get lower cap hits and hometown discounts to keep a winning team together.

...we are giving out huge bonuses, NTCs and NMCs right now, why exactly?

 

[Krnuckfan]

As long as we're backpatting our July 1st, takes, here's mine:


Jay Beagle IS Eric Belanger. It's incredible! It's the exact same ****ing thing.

The canucks have a lot in common with the 2011-12 edmonton oilers.

Oilers signed belanger, eager, hordichuk in the offseason to help change the culture and support their young players.
Canucks signed beagle, roussel, schaller in the offseason to help change the culture and support their young players. Also to prevent injuries in the canucks case.

The oilers had a talented core of three young forwards: 21 year old eberle, 19 year old Hall, 18 year old Ryan Nugent Hopkins
The canucks have a talented core of three young forwards: 23 year old Horvat, 21 year old Boeser, 19 year old Pettersson

Oilers finished the season with 74 points
Canucks are on pace to finish with 78 points

Tambellini was in his 4th full year as GM of the Oilers, missing the playoffs for the 4th straight season
Benning, is in his 5th full year as GM of the canucks, and will miss the playoffs for the 4th straight season

Both teams had a subset of the fanbase delusional about the future and believed they were up and coming teams that will soon be a contender.