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Am I the only one who finds Mirtle insufferable? I don't care for The Athletic business model or content as it is, and him leading the ship certainly disways me further.
I agree.Yeah I don't know. I remember that he put out an article before the draft that felt very pro-Dubas, anti-Hunter. It was right after the GM decision had been made. That's the only time I've felt that Mirtle has been anything but professional. If you listen to him or read his articles, he'd give you the impression that we are a top team with quite a bit of issues. That's pretty much exactly what we are.
About 2.5M per season minimum, 4 when you factor in the 5 year term. 10.5 for Tavares (Toews), 10.5 for Matthews on 8 year term, 9Mx5(Eichel+ and 5 year term), 6 for Nylander (Ehlers).
I agree.
If anything I feel many of the writers at the Athletic are hesitant to post anything overly negative or critical about the team until they see how the Leafs look in the playoffs. They acknowledge the results haven't been there for a while but generally have tip-toed around how bad it has actually been. It seems like they are saving that ammo for if we have a lackluster performance in the playoffs as at that point there is no excuses for not showing up.
The salary cap increases each year. If that didn’t matter, no one would be making more than $8.7M.
Regardless, even with this (bad) analysis at hand, you’re complaining about one Connor Brown’s worth of cap space.
I understand cap %. Stamkos 5 year deal would be 9.24M on today’s cap hence Matthews. Eichel’s contract started last season so the cap % bump would be 10.6M. Ehlers deal kicked in this season therefore cap % doesn’t matter. Tavares to Toews was a bit of a stretch but I don’t believe comparing him to Kopitar is a stretch who started his 8 year deal at 10M 2 seasons ago. If you take into account term it’s the difference between keeping Brown vs. keeping Gardiner at 6M.
If you ignore the Tampa discount (seems to be atleast ~15%) your expectations are going to be out of whack
Was the Tampa discount in effect when Stamkos signed out of ELC in 2011? We also shouldn’t discount quality GM work to a Tampa discount. Look at Calgary’s cap structure.
Dunno. Did Stamkos' back to back 95/91 point, 45 and 50 goal seasons deserve less than 80% of Malkin's 85/106 point 33 and 47 goal (while older) cap percentage?
Dunno. Did Stamkos' back to back 95/91 point, 45 and 50 goal seasons deserve less than 80% of Malkin's 85/106 point 33 and 47 goal (while older) cap percentage?
That’s a fair assessment. I believe Malkin was the outlier rather than Stamkos due to him match Crosby’s AAV.
The Crosby cap means Malkin got less than he probably should have, widening a gap that's already too wide
I understand cap %. Stamkos 5 year deal would be 9.24M on today’s cap hence Matthews. Eichel’s contract started last season so the cap % bump would be 10.6M. Ehlers deal kicked in this season therefore cap % doesn’t matter. Tavares to Toews was a bit of a stretch but I don’t believe comparing him to Kopitar is a stretch who started his 8 year deal at 10M 2 seasons ago. If you take into account term it’s the difference between keeping Brown vs. keeping Gardiner at 6M.
I want a gm that can create the “Toronto discount”, and not the “Toronto overpayment”.If you ignore the Tampa discount (seems to be atleast ~15%) your expectations are going to be out of whack
Am I the only one who finds Mirtle insufferable? I don't care for The Athletic business model or content as it is, and him leading the ship certainly disways me further.
Stamkos's 5-year deal was signed almost 8 years ago under a different CBA and a different climate for 2nd contracts. Matthews' deal is really unique and has no real recent comparison at the moment, but this summer should help provide provide better context as we see what the remaining RFA crop signs for. AAV and Cap Hit %-wise, he's between Eichel and McDavid, where he belongs.
Ehlers' deal was signed between Year 2 and 3 of his ELC, before it was known just how much the Vegas expansion would impact salary cap and before he put up a 2nd-straight 60-point season. It's an awful deal for him, and he should fire his agent. This is a bad comparable for Nylander's contract.
Kopitar never hit the open market, meaning there weren't competing bids dragging up his ask. Plus his signing cap hit % is even HIGHER than Tavares' or Matthews' was.
If Matthews was making $11.634 for 8 years instead of 5, would you be okay with that average annual valuation?
I want a gm that can create the “Toronto discount”, and not the “Toronto overpayment”.
Maybe a rookie wasn’t such a good idea .
If I'm as right as I think I am about Dubas' dramatic overpayments destroying the teams future depth, preventing us from ever becoming truely "elite", then Shanahan has to own up to a lot of this as well.An unproven millennial overpaying unproven millennial's.
a recipe for success.
what could go wrong?
Well... it happens to the LEAFS. Unclear if it happens in the actual real sports world though.the element of an unproven, inexperienced person overpaying unproven, inexperienced talent of equal (or close to it) age is extremely common in today's workforce.
in actuality, seeing it occur all over the business world makes me happy to know it happens in the rich sports world as well.
1. I agree, Stamkos was a long time ago but he's the only reasonable comparison. You can't throw out the closest comparison because it's 8 years old. What changed in the last CBA in terms of 5 year contracts?
2. As bad as you may think Ehlers contract was I think it was fair and it fits in line with Pastrnak and Gaudreau and Forsberg. Maybe while he questions his agent Leafs fans can question our GM.
3. Kopitar signed for UFA years just like Tavares, his cap hit % is irrelevant to Matthews at 5 years (4 of them RFA). At the time of signing he became the third highest paid player in the league - do you really think he didn't leverage going to market to get more money?Fun fact: only 3 players in the salary cap era have earned over 10M AAV without winning a major award or stanley cup and 2 of them currently play for the Leafs (potentially soon to be 3).
4. Yes. I wouldn't love it but I wouldn't mind it.
I have to agree. The 5 years with Mathews includes a strike year.I want a gm that can create the “Toronto discount”, and not the “Toronto overpayment”.
Maybe a rookie wasn’t such a good idea .
Right..."We are going to pay you less than other teams are willing ,cuz ,you know we're the great Leafs"....seriously?I want a gm that can create the “Toronto discount”, and not the “Toronto overpayment”.
Maybe a rookie wasn’t such a good idea .