Proposal: Jackets/ Wild Blockbuster

[Digitalbooya]

Dont use pace... pace is an estimate not an accurate number. The guy gets no PP minutes and put up 19 goals whilst missing about an entire 1/4 of the year. And your using Points Im using goals. Thos isnt just an Anderson thing look through my posts I am a firm believer in goals being more important than assists. So what are granlunds goals the past 2 years. Anderson had 19 while never playing above the 3rd line his 1st year then his 2nd year stilll with 0 PP he missed 1/4 and still put up the same amount again showing just how good he is that he can consistently score ES and was able to improve his goal scoring from the year before. Much Like Atkinson who gets no credit he has scored 20+ goals in like 6 or so consecutive years but has gotten more then the previous year every time except this past year where he missed also 1/4 of the year with a broken foot and his goals per game was close to being a 7th year in a row of improvement. People focus too much on points instead of goals ESPECIALLY wingers.

You’re right, I shouldn’t just gift your 30pt player an additional 9 points. My mistake. Nino played the same amount of games as Anderson, scored more points, had 1 fewer goal, and OVERALL played roughly 200 fewer minutes. Not to mention it was a year to forget for him after he broke his leg near the beginning of the year and was clearly playing injured once he returned. Prior to that he had three straight seasons of 20 or more goals. Granlund has back-to-back seasons of 20+ goals. Anderson has never hit 20 real goals but queue the excuse train for that in 3, 2, 1...

Anderson isn’t better than or equal to Nino and he sure as hell isn’t equal to Granlund.

 

[Viqsi]

So youd rather move Panarin for lesser parts or nothing at all? Is Columbus doing a retool I dont know of?

We'd rather keep Panarin for the year and have him be our own "rental".

 

[Nico the Draft Riser]

We'd rather keep Panarin for the year and have him be our own "rental".

What insanely terrible asset management

 

[Viqsi]

What insanely terrible asset management

You're only saying that because the hockey world is still traumatized by John Tavares going home and the subsequent presumption that the Islanders are consequentially doomed to irrelevance for the next decade. (Mostly because nobody ever takes any of their players seriously.)

Which is more valuable to the Jackets?
1) A year of one incredible elite badass winger producing for our team and showing the ropes to kids like Bjorkstrand and Milano and Dubois, or
2) Yet another garden variety maybe-top-line winger who will be unnecessarily expensive if we try to retain him and won't be able to teach nearly as much to the kids because he's nowhere near as good? (Keeping in mind that we already have a metric ****ton of second-line quality wingers on the roster already.)

And that's assuming we do get that maybe-top-line winger; most of the time people keep going on about how "he's a rental so the Jackets won't get that kind of value". And it's also assuming that when Panarin says "not at this time" w/r/t signing he means "not ever under any circumstances".

 

[57special]

I guess CBJ fans don't realize just how good Granlund is. I was a critic of his previously, but since being moved to the wing he has become a terrific player.

In any event, no thanks from MN. Panarin is for the bright lights/big city, and Anderson is a nothing burger.

 

[BB88]

#1 you severely underrate him if you think anyone is over stating his abilities or importance to the team.
#2 if you think thats fair for signed Panarin and Andy you are nuts
#3 The handedness dont matter the side you play does. Nuti is a LHD but plays the right and is god awful on the left.

If people know Panarin isn't signing with Columbus you won't get a max return.

Columbus would be lucky to get someone as good as Granlund for Panarin.

What insanely terrible asset management

I completely agree.

It would be a disaster for Columbus if he walks next summer.

 

[major major]

If it's a disaster for Columbus to lose Panarin for nothing, it's still a disaster for Columbus to only get Neiderreiter and JEE back for him. Adding a couple more middle-six players to a team with about 10 of them doesn't help much. Better to rent Panarin, unless Granlund or better is available.

 

[rynryn]

If the jackets are counting on the playoffs they'd be fools to trade Panarin for rental prices--which is what they'd get unless the team on the receiving end feels strongly he'd re-sign with them. Whatever the quality of the "big city" sources are there's enough smoke there to keep many teams from counting on that. Playoff run with Panarin is not "losing him for nothing".

 

[mikeyp24]

Okay well the first line of your post is wrong. It would be for a rental Panarin. As is the premise of the thread sending him to Minnesota

Then in this case he wants to sign l9ng term there because he wont be dealt unsigned unless.extreme overpay. As stated over and over...

 

[Halla]

and when panarin walks they moved granlund and nino for a year of the breadman and a 30pt winger?

yikes

 

[mikeyp24]

You’re right, I shouldn’t just gift your 30pt player an additional 9 points. My mistake. Nino played the same amount of games as Anderson, scored more points, had 1 fewer goal, and OVERALL played roughly 200 fewer minutes. Not to mention it was a year to forget for him after he broke his leg near the beginning of the year and was clearly playing injured once he returned. Prior to that he had three straight seasons of 20 or more goals. Granlund has back-to-back seasons of 20+ goals. Anderson has never hit 20 real goals but queue the excuse train for that in 3, 2, 1...

Anderson isn’t better than or equal to Nino and he sure as hell isn’t equal to Granlund.

your right never hit 20 lol 2 19s 1 being q season never higher then 3rd line all es and the other missing 20 games... it's clear your trying your best to make the player who is minimum equal in talent and has worlds better contract to be less with that never hit 20 garbage...

 

[mikeyp24]

If people know Panarin isn't signing with Columbus you won't get a max return.

Columbus would be lucky to get someone as good as Granlund for Panarin.



I completely agree.

It would be a disaster for Columbus if he walks next summer.

Granlund for signed panarin would be lucky?!? No... and no we are fine qith him walking. Look at 90-95% of cbj fans we would rather a winning year and him walk then have a worse team in the playoffs and 2 average assets just to say he didn't leave free... we hold no ill will if he walks. It hurts more to sell rental prices then keep.

 

[Nico the Draft Riser]

You know when fans say they're fine with losing an elite player for nothing but a playoff chance its bad. And Columbus really hasnt been that big of a playoff threat as of late.

Youd think Tavares would have shocked all the GMs to get value from now on (unless you're a premier contender, top 2-3 team)

 

[Digitalbooya]

your right never hit 20 lol 2 19s 1 being q season never higher then 3rd line all es and the other missing 20 games... it's clear your trying your best to make the player who is minimum equal in talent and has worlds better contract to be less with that never hit 20 garbage...

No, continue overrating your player. Very valuable thread contribution. He’s not equal, if you disagree go ahead and make a thread to rank Granlund, Nino, and Anderson.

You’re trying your best to make your player, whom has a career high of 30 pts, equal to very clearly better players whom have seasons of 40+, 50+ and in Granlund’s case 60+ points. Have to perform some serious mental gymnastics to come to such a conclusion. Honestly, it wouldn’t surprise me if you hadn’t seen Nino or Granlund play ever before. Every time you respond it becomes more and more clear you have no idea what you are talking about.

 

[Digitalbooya]

You know when fans say they're fine with losing an elite player for nothing but a playoff chance its bad. And Columbus really hasnt been that big of a playoff threat as of late.

Youd think Tavares would have shocked all the GMs to get value from now on (unless you're a premier contender, top 2-3 team)

Don’t worry, Anderson will carry them to back-to-back Cup wins with his career high of 30pts and having never scored 20 goals in one season before. He won’t at all have his point totals drop when Panarin, one of his most common linemates from last year, walks in a year.

 

[gwh]

The return is poor because Panarin won't resign in Columbus. Wild aren't interested because Panarin won't resign in Minnesota.

CBJ fans have hard time understanding that Panarin is a high end gamebreaking RENTAL. Nobody will give core players in rental deals.

Either Panarin goes for picks at TDL, or CBJ keeps him and tries to make a run. Either way the return is poor.

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

With facts? Darn the truth!!!!! Darn it all to heck!!!!!!!

You just called Anderson a 25 goal despite him never scoring even 20 goals in a season...


Either you don't know what a fact is, or you're a Leafs fan.

 

[mikeyp24]

No, continue overrating your player. Very valuable thread contribution. He’s not equal, if you disagree go ahead and make a thread to rank Granlund, Nino, and Anderson.

You’re trying your best to make your player, whom has a career high of 30 pts, equal to very clearly better players whom have seasons of 40+, 50+ and in Granlund’s case 60+ points. Have to perform some serious mental gymnastics to come to such a conclusion. Honestly, it wouldn’t surprise me if you hadn’t seen Nino or Granlund play ever before. Every time you respond it becomes more and more clear you have no idea what you are talking about.

You have avoided every fact by trying to spin it. Go with their goal numbers then account for the power play, line played on, and games played. That will help you figure out if he has alwas been better or is just on a great pace to be.better after this year.

 

[mikeyp24]

You just called Anderson a 25 goal despite him never scoring even 20 goals in a season...


Either you don't know what a fact is, or you're a Leafs fan.

goals per game spread out over 82 games is right around there.

 

[57special]

You have avoided every fact by trying to spin it.

. Better quit while you're...behind?

Just found out that Granlund is an " average asset".

 

[mikeyp24]

. Better quit while you're...behind?

Just found out that Granlund is an " average asset".

For Panarin yes... I like the wild and a lot of their players and prospects BUT when an elite player like Panarin is involved Nino and Granlund isnt premium returns.

 

[2Pair]

goals per game spread out over 82 games is right around there.

Dont use pace... pace is an estimate not an accurate number. The guy gets no PP minutes and put up 19 goals whilst missing about an entire 1/4 of the year. And your using Points Im using goals. Thos isnt just an Anderson thing look through my posts I am a firm believer in goals being more important than assists. So what are granlunds goals the past 2 years. Anderson had 19 while never playing above the 3rd line his 1st year then his 2nd year stilll with 0 PP he missed 1/4 and still put up the same amount again showing just how good he is that he can consistently score ES and was able to improve his goal scoring from the year before. Much Like Atkinson who gets no credit he has scored 20+ goals in like 6 or so consecutive years but has gotten more then the previous year every time except this past year where he missed also 1/4 of the year with a broken foot and his goals per game was close to being a 7th year in a row of improvement. People focus too much on points instead of goals ESPECIALLY wingers.

Nice job of staying consistant. Holy shit are you a disaster in this thread.

 

[cslebn]

You know when fans say they're fine with losing an elite player for nothing but a playoff chance its bad. And Columbus really hasnt been that big of a playoff threat as of late.

Youd think Tavares would have shocked all the GMs to get value from now on (unless you're a premier contender, top 2-3 team)

You know the ego GMs have. They'll think it happened to them but I'm better so it won't happen to us and subconsciously they'll relish the challenge.

 

[mikeyp24]

Nice job of staying consistant. Holy **** are you a disaster in this thread.

Pace isnt the same as goals per game. People use those out of context. They want to pace EVERYTHING from points to minutes to goals too etc... goals per game is just a way of saying how often someone scores goals when comparing so someone cant hide behind secondary assists or saying someone hasnt hit 20 when they hit 19 twice and 1 was because mass games missed.

 

[2Pair]

Pace isnt the same as goals per game. People use those out of context. They want to pace EVERYTHING from points to minutes to goals too etc... goals per game is just a way of saying how often someone scores goals when comparing so someone cant hide behind secondary assists or saying someone hasnt hit 20 when they hit 19 twice and 1 was because mass games missed.