Funny that the guy everyone said should have been picked ahead of Hughes and who would be an immediate star in the league has about the same point pace. Is he a bust too?
Jack Hughes on pace to have worst rookie season by a 1st overall forward since Patrik Stefan in 1999
- Thread starter Motte and Bailey
- Start date
- Status
In the first 24 games of the season:
Stamkos 13:26, 11 points
Hall 16:52, 21 points
MacKinnon 15:43, 15 points
razor8
Registered User
- Nov 28, 2017
- 937
- 712
No, they're not busts. They are however huge disappointments in year one after all the hype before the season. Just shows you that it's stupid hyping rookies before they've even played one game in the NHL.
Funny how difficult it is to talk about Hughes and 1st overall picks on a thread about Hughes and 1st overall picks.
Well, the only off-topic posting by me here:
Kakko in comparison to some recent 2nd overall picks after 25 games:
Kakko 12p
Svech 12p
Patrick 7p
Eichel 12p
Reinhart 9p
Barkov 10p
Landeskog 11p
Seguin 10p
Laine with 19 is the only one to score more. Again, this thread's about 1st overall picks and Jack Hughes
Yeah, he's the only one to do that, so it'd stand to reason he'd be the best. And also the worst. Who'd have imagined?
Last edited:
Ha wish I saw this post before I looked at many many USNTDP players. I thought they started in 96 tho
Last edited:
You people, just like most GMs attach to the "1st overall" as if it was some kind of god. To Devils it does not matter how he ranks as 1st overall, it only matters if he becomes the #1 center they crave for decades now. I think he will never be a #1 center, but it's too early to tell. Ryan O'reilly wasn't any better in his first NHL year. Give him 3 years and we could see.
SoundAndFury
Registered User
- May 28, 2012
- 11,409
- 5,329
What actually is funny is that it means Hughes is on better pace than Barkov or Seguin and one point away from the rest of the crop. #bust
KevinRedkey
12/18/23 and beyond!
- Jan 22, 2010
- 9,833
- 4,748
Im not sure. A site only listed up until 02-03 so I figured that was the first year. Maybe thats just the first year that site kept stats? idk.
Either way I just checked the 23 players who played at age 18 from 96-02, and none of them came from the USNTDP either way.
Last edited:
Artorius Horus T
sincerety
Its always funny how fans compare their own struggling rookies to other rookies in the past, so that their rookies wouldn't look so bad.
Or always (these days anyways) throwing % figures of those meaningful advanced, analytic...what ever stats of probabilities what the player
has potential to do. All those numbers (with ppg) are nice and all, but if the player does not actually produce goals, points, etc. etc.
you know, things that actually matter in a hockey game, those advanced stats mean ****.
---
Hughes has undoubted skill and skating, but physically and other wisely, he isn't NHL player, yet.
He just isn't ready to play against men, you could easily see that at this years Worlds,
he got outplayed by the GB players for crying out loud.
He needs to adjust his game as well, what worked in the US national development program
wont work in the NHL, against NHL:ers (wouldn't of worked in the NCAA either thou,
Cole Caufield has already learned that with his late struggling, he is learning there
to become a better player, where as Hughes is taking steps backwards)
He obviously should of went to play to the NCAA (like Caufield & his 2019 drafted American peers did)
Or always (these days anyways) throwing % figures of those meaningful advanced, analytic...what ever stats of probabilities what the player
has potential to do. All those numbers (with ppg) are nice and all, but if the player does not actually produce goals, points, etc. etc.
you know, things that actually matter in a hockey game, those advanced stats mean ****.
---
Hughes has undoubted skill and skating, but physically and other wisely, he isn't NHL player, yet.
He just isn't ready to play against men, you could easily see that at this years Worlds,
he got outplayed by the GB players for crying out loud.
He needs to adjust his game as well, what worked in the US national development program
wont work in the NHL, against NHL:ers (wouldn't of worked in the NCAA either thou,
Cole Caufield has already learned that with his late struggling, he is learning there
to become a better player, where as Hughes is taking steps backwards)
He obviously should of went to play to the NCAA (like Caufield & his 2019 drafted American peers did)
The kid will be fine. Although I will say that’s it not great to have young talents like that develop on bad teams. The Oilers can attest to that. They learn bad habits.
Artorius Horus T
sincerety
It isn't about the height and pounds either, physically NHL ready doesn't mean how much you weigh.
One Alex DeBrincat for example came to the NHL straight from the OHL at 19; 5 foot 7, 160(ish) pounds,
played with ****** minutes with ****** line mates (mostly), yet led the Hawks in goals (28) and scored over 50 points
(edit: oh-no...did i made a rookie vs rookie comparison?,...nah...not the same thing)
But then again.... some players DO develop slower (duh), so there's that. Time will tell into which category Jack Hughes falls into.
One Alex DeBrincat for example came to the NHL straight from the OHL at 19; 5 foot 7, 160(ish) pounds,
played with ****** minutes with ****** line mates (mostly), yet led the Hawks in goals (28) and scored over 50 points
(edit: oh-no...did i made a rookie vs rookie comparison?,...nah...not the same thing)
But then again.... some players DO develop slower (duh), so there's that. Time will tell into which category Jack Hughes falls into.
Last edited:
VainGretzky
Registered User
- Jun 4, 2015
- 13,103
- 10,622
I wonder how many times this will be bumped when he becomes a ppg player on the league
Star Ocean
Registered User
- Dec 30, 2018
- 3,583
- 2,003
He reminds me a bit of Kuznetsov. He'll be a good, perhaps even a top, producer in this league in time. A stop off in the NCAA might've made a bit of sense, though.
Samsquanch
Raging Bull Squatch
I feel bad for the Devils, seriously. Hischier amd Hughes are both legit players for sure, but their in the lowest of the low tiers for #1st OV picks. I would have begrudgingly made the same picks though, so no fault on them there.
But before anyone disagrees, think of how laughably far off in caliber these two are from Crosby and Malkin when the rebuilding Pens lucked out. Complete night and day between the caliber of players that each team got.
It was just 2 years that were not good years for whatever team was picking 1st OV, imo.
But before anyone disagrees, think of how laughably far off in caliber these two are from Crosby and Malkin when the rebuilding Pens lucked out. Complete night and day between the caliber of players that each team got.
It was just 2 years that were not good years for whatever team was picking 1st OV, imo.
Ducks in a row
Go Ducks Quack Quack
Size and weight will always matter it just might not matter as much as it once did.
Petterson wasn't a point per game player in his rookie season he had 66 points in 71 games in his rookie season and just just because he did so well doesn't mean everyone who is on the smaller weight side will be able to handle things so well.
You can take 10 people who are the same height and weight but each person is different with different limits of what they can handle. Some players need to put on some weight to be able to handle the NHL some don't.
I don't know why Jack Hughes isn't doing better but it is possible his size isn't helping.
teravaineSAROS
Registered User
- Jul 29, 2015
- 3,814
- 1,482
Pettersson also got injured very easily due to the lankiness. He played an entire season in the SHL against men after being drafted which helps a lot.
unknownbrother
Registered User
Hughes is the first player to jump straight from the USNTDP to the NHL
unknownbrother
Registered User
Hischier is going to be solid, pretty much already is. Only thing holding him back from being noticed by fans league wide is not fully using the offensive game he plays for Switzerland in NHL games.
Right now he's just under the radar doing his thing.
Last edited:
Devils fans have long memories. We'll remind everybody of this thread when it happens.
Nithoniniel
Registered User
Hughes has had a slow start. Kakko has really had some struggles. But is that really so out of the ordinary? I think having McDavid, Matthews, and Laine in recent years jumping in and making an immediate impact might have skewed people's expectations a bit. If you look at the kind of qualities Hughes have, I'm not surprised he needs some time to learn how to be effective at this level. I expected Kakko than him initially, to be honest.
razor8
Registered User
- Nov 28, 2017
- 937
- 712
No, it's not out of the ordinary. Just laughable when fans of said teams were so sure that they're NHL ready players without seeing them play in even one NHL game.
And looking at some former number one overalls Hughes is not on the same level as most of them.
- Status
Ad
Latest posts
-
OT: Other Buffalo Sports (Bandits, Beauts, Bisons, NCAA Basketball and Football)- Latest: Mike McDermott
Upcoming events
-
-
-
-
-
Series Winner Dallas Stars vs Vegas Golden Knights - Series tied 2-2Wagers: 8Staked: $24,445.00Event closes- Updated: