Prospect Info: Isles Prospect Talk 2019-20 | Part I

[PK Cronin]

Worse. Dal Colle was good in the AHL.

Is this his second or third year?

 

[Top Corner]

Why exactly are people thinking Thompson is doing a bad job in Bridgeport?

It seems that every player that has come up to the big club has fit in nicely into Trotz’ system. If it is strictly based on win-loss record, I would argue that is not the most important thing we should be worried about at the AHL level.

Take a look at the top prospects and their performance. All of them except for Kieffer Bellows appear to be thriving. Bellows is only 21 and may still need to adjust to the mans game. He was struggling at the NCAA level, appeared to dominate the juniors for a season and now is not delivering the production expected of him. Not sure we can just pin that on the coach if others including Wahlstrom, Holmstrom and Koivula show to be thriving.

Maybe a new AHL coach is on his list to improve, but there is no way of telling in my opinion and nothing egregious stands out as a red flag.

You may be looking at this as a glass half full, you could look at it that if they had the right coach they would be first or 2nd liners but instead they are 3rd and 4th. If they are being developed properly then they would be doing thing right and that would in turn turn into wins but that’s not the case. Winning breeds a culture , a standard to expect anything less you are a complacent and most probably ok with losing. Our true potential stars right now in Barzal and Beau didn’t really spend a lot of time if any in the AHL

They need to fix the sound tigers to allow for players to reach their potential while providing a winning atmosphere

 

[MJF]

Is this his second or third year?

Last year, which was the year he stayed healthy from the start until his callup

 

[MJF]

Last year, which was the year he stayed healthy from the start until his callup

Oops. Read it too fast. This is Bellows 2nd season in the AHL

 

[Rengi]

 

[BelovedIsles]

I liked Otto’s first game; has a poor man’s Barkov (stylistically) feel. Though didn’t play much. Liked his enthusiasm in post-interviews.

 

[dcv2002]

So.. Sorokin's not signing an extension.... Hmmm.

 

[Skip To My Lou]

So.. Sorokin's not signing an extension.... Hmmm.

 

[Islanders4Cups]

You may be looking at this as a glass half full, you could look at it that if they had the right coach they would be first or 2nd liners but instead they are 3rd and 4th. If they are being developed properly then they would be doing thing right and that would in turn turn into wins but that’s not the case. Winning breeds a culture , a standard to expect anything less you are a complacent and most probably ok with losing. Our true potential stars right now in Barzal and Beau didn’t really spend a lot of time if any in the AHL

They need to fix the sound tigers to allow for players to reach their potential while providing a winning atmosphere

hmmm so you are speculating that another coach could turn Dal Colle or Ho Sang into first or second liners and it is Thompson’s fault that they are not?
I won’t comment on Kieffer Bellows just yet as I think he is still a project that can go many ways.

I cannot agree with you saying Thompson’s coaching is in effect ruining some of our prospects.

 

[Top Corner]

hmmm so you are speculating that another coach could turn Dal Colle or Ho Sang into first or second liners and it is Thompson’s fault that they are not?
I won’t comment on Kieffer Bellows just yet as I think he is still a project that can go many ways.

I cannot agree with you saying Thompson’s coaching is in effect ruining some of our prospects.

With our so called stacked system, we should be winning more at Bridgeport and we are not. Is it the coaches fault , don’t really know but I can tell you the coach on the Isles main team is the reason they are winning

 

[Islanders4Cups]

With our so called stacked system, we should be winning more at Bridgeport and we are not. Is it the coaches fault , don’t really know but I can tell you the coach on the Isles main team is the reason they are winning

I would say that the better players in this stacked system have played nearly as much for the Islanders as the Soundtigers so far this season.

 

[Top Corner]

I guess the main point is a good coach makes a huge difference, the Isles are proof that a team at the bottom with some talent can be a team at the top. If you are suggesting the sound Tigers have none then that explains the bottom dwelling team but if they have some it’s on the coaching staff

 

[blinkman360]

I guess the main point is a good coach makes a huge difference, the Isles are proof that a team at the bottom with some talent can be a team at the top. If you are suggesting the sound Tigers have none then that explains the bottom dwelling team but if they have some it’s on the coaching staff

As someone who takes the ferry a handful of times per year to watch the Soundtigers, I can tell you that there is a clear lack of talent on these teams. That and they don't really appear to play an offensive style. I'm sure Trotz has them trying to implement his style of game so that these kids are ready to step in when needed, but THAT coupled with the lack of a true high-end playmaker has most likely hurt everyone's offensive production.

I honestly could care less about how these kids produce in the A as long as they're contributing on the Island once they make the jump. I will say though that it wouldn't hurt to bring in a handful of AHL vets to help bring these kids along and put them in a position to produce, but overall it's hard to complain about anything related to the organization as long as the big club is winning games.

 

[Icejoker]

If You look at Salo in Finland one thing is different than last year, the TOI . Last year he was 72 in that stat this year second.

Last Year: https://liiga.fi/fi/tilastot/2018-2...&player_stats=players&sort=Aika#stats-wrapper

Pelaajatilastot | Perustilastot | Runkosarja 2019-2020 | Tilastot | Liiga

 

[The Real JT]

If You look at Salo in Finland one thing is different than last year, the TOI . Last year he was 72 in that stat this year second.

Last Year: Pelaajatilastot | Perustilastot | Runkosarja 2018-2019 | Tilastot | Liiga

Pelaajatilastot | Perustilastot | Runkosarja 2019-2020 | Tilastot | Liiga

He's still firmly on track to be a bust.

Same goes for Ishakov.

They're not lost causes but an NHL career is likely not in the cards for either of them.

 

[Phil120362]

With our so called stacked system, we should be winning more at Bridgeport and we are not. Is it the coaches fault , don’t really know but I can tell you the coach on the Isles main team is the reason they are winning

don't worry were gonna re sign Greiss,stash him in the Bridge,just in case.....lols

 

[xECK29x]

He's still firmly on track to be a bust.

Same goes for Ishakov.

They're not lost causes but an NHL career is likely not in the cards for either of them.

How are either of these guys “busts”? Ish has to finish school and see what he can do in the AHL, Salo we will see if he comes over. They aren’t busts until they are here or never come.

 

[The Real JT]

He's still firmly on track to be a bust.

Same goes for Ishakov.

They're not lost causes but an NHL career is likely not in the cards for either of them.

How are either of these guys “busts”? Ish has to finish school and see what he can do in the AHL, Salo we will see if he comes over. They aren’t busts until they are here or never come.

"On track" to be a bust was the quote.

I stand by the post but I hope I'm wrong.

What successful Isles prospect, past or present, has shown no progression in performance by year 2 or 3 post-draft?

 

[doublechili]

How are either of these guys “busts”? Ish has to finish school and see what he can do in the AHL, Salo we will see if he comes over. They aren’t busts until they are here or never come.

I agree, but then again I'm still hopeful that Hector Marini can make it.

 

[Islesfan22]

Many people starting calling Wally a bust after his first year in college. Ridiculous statement but that is hf for you. As far as Ishakov he had better stats then Wally as a freshman and his stats this year are ok. Way to early to start calling any of these kids busts.

 

[PROMputt]

If a European player decides against leaving his country and coming over to North America and play in the NHL is he considered a bust? Salo, Golyshev, and maybe/maybe not Sorokin are all doing well overseas. They make good money and are probably very comfortable playing at or near home living in their culture and speaking their native language. It can be a crap shoot drafting a European player not knowing if they will come over, but I don't consider it a bust.

 

[PK Cronin]

If a European player decides against leaving his country and coming over to North America and play in the NHL is he considered a bust? Salo, Golyshev, and maybe/maybe not Sorokin are all doing well overseas. They make good money and are probably very comfortable playing at or near home living in their culture and speaking their native language. It can be a crap shoot drafting a European player not knowing if they will come over, but I don't consider it a bust.

It's certainly a waste of a pick, but a bust probably isn't the right term but will be used as an equivalent.

 

[xECK29x]

It's certainly a waste of a pick, but a bust probably isn't the right term but will be used as an equivalent.

This is how I mean it

 

[SI90]

 

[The Real JT]

Many people starting calling Wally a bust after his first year in college. Ridiculous statement but that is hf for you. As far as Ishakov he had better stats then Wally as a freshman and his stats this year are ok. Way to early to start calling any of these kids busts.

I expected Wally to come up in the conversation but his situation was unique.

He was in a top tier stacked program with talented older players above him in the hierarchy. If he had chosen to stay, I suspect he'd have been successful. Thankfully, he bolted.

Salo and Ish are already past their first year yet have shown no substantial growth in less competitive environments.