Islanders General Rumour, Trade, FA, & Waiver Speculation 2018-19 Part II

[KrisBeKreame]

I think that some of them have top 4 potential. Salo, Mirages, Toews and Pelech. Other than Leddy I don't think we have any 1st pairing potential LHD. Not that I wouldnt want Nurse if we could grab him with out the Killer B's(Barzal, Beauvillier, Bellows), Wahlstrom, or Dobson

 

[BelovedIsles]

I think that some of them have top 4 potential. Salo, Mirages, Toews and Pelech. Other than Leddy I don't think we have any 1st pairing potential LHD. Not that I wouldnt want Nurse if we could grab him with out the Killer B's(Barzal, Beauvillier, Bellows), Wahlstrom, or Dobson

I’d be willing to part w a lottery protected first and Devon Toews or JHS. Maybe Bellows.

Nurse would be an anchor on our blueline for years.

 

[CREW99AW]

Or he should trade us Nurse out of desperation, perhaps throwing in a 1st to sweeten the offer.

If I was an Edmonton fan,I would be uneasy.
Chia has shown a willingness, to trade what should be his core youngsters.

 

[BelovedIsles]

If I was an Edmonton fan,I would be uneasy.
Chia has shown a willingness, to trade what should be his core youngsters.

Maybe they would want cheap futures back, eg JHS, to give them skill and depth on the wing.

Or try to unload their bad contracts, as you suggested.

 

[CREW99AW]

Maybe they would want cheap futures back, eg JHS, to give them skill and depth on the wing.

Or try to unload their bad contracts, as you suggested.

It sounds like Chia did try to unload Lucic,but not in a cap dump. Chia tried to get value back and no other team bit.
He should have asked Lucic to waive his ntc and retained salary, just to be free of that bad contract.

 

[NewYorkIsles]

 

[PWJunior]

Wow, a player being up front and honest about their situation. Refreshing.

 

[BTrotts19]

If ever there was a GM textbook, Garth would have a full chapter of what NOT to do.....

 

[danteipp]

If ever there was a GM textbook, Garth would have a full chapter of what NOT to do.....

I would love to get the Fantastic Four of Garth, Chia, Dorion and Bergevin in a room and listen to them talk about their GM "proficiency", lol.

 

[beach]

It sounds like Chia did try to unload Lucic,but not in a cap dump. Chia tried to get value back and no other team bit.
He should have asked Lucic to waive his ntc and retained salary, just to be free of that bad contract.

We'll take Lucic and RNH for a third rounder and Ladd

 

[CREW99AW]

We'll take Lucic and RNH for a third rounder and Ladd

Do not bring that proposal up to Oiler fans. They think RNH's 45-55 pts are worth a package centered around Dobson or Wahlstrom. Got very pissy in a recent thread. Reminded me of the Hamonic to Edmonton threads

 

[MJF]

Wow, a player being up front and honest about their situation. Refreshing.

And this is why I expect Panarin to be traded. CBJ isn’t going to sit around and wait for Panarin to walk away for nothing.

When a player is unsure if he wants to re-sign with his team long term, then he really doesn’t want to be there all that much.

 

[saintunspecified]

As others have mentioned, this could be an opportunity for NYI. If Chicago can make a move for Panarin, could NYI grab Anisimov? I know he had a rough year last year, but he's a prototypical Lamoriello player.

 

[SI]

According to Flames fans,Gio lifts all his partners play.

Brodie needing to play with the team's best all round defenseman, does not inspire confidence that he would bounce back in a change of scenery trade.

But who else do you think you'll get for Brock nelson?

Brodie's numbers are NOT terrible -

Good possession player - on the right side of 50. 2nd most TOI on the blueline. Very good contract 2y at 4.6m.

And the Flames have Rasmussen Anderson and Oliver Kylington waiting to step in.

Again I ask who do you think you will get for Brock Nelson?

 

[CREW99AW]

But who else do you think you'll get for Brock nelson?

Brodie's numbers are NOT terrible -

Good possession player - on the right side of 50. 2nd most TOI on the blueline. Very good contract 2y at 4.6m.

And the Flames have Rasmussen Anderson and Oliver Kylington waiting to step in.

Again I ask who do you think you will get for Brock Nelson?

I would rather trade Nelson for picks then a defenseman who has struggled for the past 2 yrs and needs a change of scenery.

It is interesting that you point out Brodie's numbers don't look bad. On paper, Nelson is a consistent 20 goal scorer, whose numbers don't look bad either.

 

[SI90]

Wow, a player being up front and honest about their situation. Refreshing.

Are we sure he didn’t just profess his love for the city of Columbus and the Blue Jackets organization and say that his main focus is to remain a Blue Jacket but he’s not ready to sign?

 

[Aceboogie]

Do not bring that proposal up to Oiler fans. They think RNH's 45-55 pts are worth a package centered around Dobson or Wahlstrom. Got very pissy in a recent thread. Reminded me of the Hamonic to Edmonton threads

Just browsing here for fun as I am terried of the next trade Chiarelli makes with NYI. But this comment is very interesting. What was your take away from the Hamonic to Edmonton threads? I do remember those threads pretty good. I was in those threads saying that Hamonic was largely overrated based on the asking price at the time. Many Oiler fans were saying hes a solid 2nd pairing D but not much more.

In the end, NYI got great value for Hamonic (Isles fans were right), but then he went to Calgary and struggled/ at best played as a solid middle pairing D and did not live up to the return given up (Oilers fans were right). If you wanted to showcase examples of Edmontons fans being wrong, there is other examples, but the Hamonic to Edmonton threads are definitely not one of them, it is one of the examples of Edmonton fans being right. Hell, even the Reinhart threads back in the day, alot of Edmonton fans were saying he wasnt going to be good when people were discussing him going back to Edmonton, and again turned out to be right. The fans were right, but unfortunately its the GM who makes the actual move and fans cant control a brutal GM

 

[seabass45]

Nothing wrong with this. Guy is under no obligation to sign a long term deal. Up to CBJ to figure out what's next now.

 

[Chapin Landvogt]

Alright, alright... let's bite and give CBS Nelson, Leddy, and Ladd

for

Panarin and Murray

It'll be a tough trade to swallow, but you have to give to get!

 

[doublechili]

As others have mentioned, this could be an opportunity for NYI. If Chicago can make a move for Panarin, could NYI grab Anisimov? I know he had a rough year last year, but he's a prototypical Lamoriello player.

I like this idea. If I'm not mistaken, Anisimov has 2 years left on his contract at not a bad number ($4 million or so). He'd be at worst a decent stop gap.

 

[MJF]

I wonder....is Panarin’s problem that he doesn’t like living in Columbus, or he doesn’t like being on a Tortorella coached team?

 

[PK Cronin]

I wonder....is Panarin’s problem that he doesn’t like living in Columbus, or he doesn’t like being on a Tortorella coached team?

It's that he gets scared when the cannons go off.

 

[Costigan77]

I wonder....is Panarin’s problem that he doesn’t like living in Columbus, or he doesn’t like being on a Tortorella coached team?

I'm going to say a little bit of both

 

[SI90]

I have high hopes for Toews. If he can stay healthy I think he eventually takes a permanent spot on the blue line this year.

 

[doublechili]

Just browsing here for fun as I am terried of the next trade Chiarelli makes with NYI. But this comment is very interesting. What was your take away from the Hamonic to Edmonton threads? I do remember those threads pretty good. I was in those threads saying that Hamonic was largely overrated based on the asking price at the time. Many Oiler fans were saying hes a solid 2nd pairing D but not much more.

In the end, NYI got great value for Hamonic (Isles fans were right), but then he went to Calgary and struggled/ at best played as a solid middle pairing D and did not live up to the return given up (Oilers fans were right). If you wanted to showcase examples of Edmontons fans being wrong, there is other examples, but the Hamonic to Edmonton threads are definitely not one of them, it is one of the examples of Edmonton fans being right. Hell, even the Reinhart threads back in the day, alot of Edmonton fans were saying he wasnt going to be good when people were discussing him going back to Edmonton, and again turned out to be right. The fans were right, but unfortunately its the GM who makes the actual move and fans cant control a brutal GM

I'm sure there were reasonable proposals from EDM fans, but I think there were a number of not-so-reasonable posts suggesting guys like Davidson plus a pick, or Eberle for Hamonic+. But yeah, Hamonic's true value ended up being in between our opinions at the time (and we did well in the Calgary deal, especially considering Dobson dropped to us).