Islanders General Rumour, Trade, FA, & Waiver Speculation 2018-19 Part II

[The Underboss]

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[majormet]

That is true the Karlsson/Hoffman thing had nothing to do with him... but damn was Colorado good when he left, ... I am hoping we see the same thing with us, McKinnon became elite when Duchene was gone, Barzal can be elite maybe without Judas, well Barzal was probably elite last year...

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

Why did Colorado flourish with him gone, it was like a switch went off and that team was top notch and all they did was lose Duchene?

Colorado was 8-6 at the time of the trade. It's not like they were terrible, got rid of Duchene, then went on a tremendous run.

As for why MacKinnon, specifically, took off. It could very well be because now he had the best two linemates on the team, he got all the prime ice time, and he's a talented kid who was bound to break out any moment with or without Duchene.

Ottawa team was a bubble team barely beat out the Isles that year but they did get far in the playoffs and had a solid start to 17/18, if he is a guy that gets down on himself easily then he is bad for a team because negativity is contagious, and I am only spitting back what someone said earlier on this thread.

I just think correlating a team's success/failure to one player leads to false conclusions. I mean, the Isles missed the playoffs by 1 point two seasons ago. With Barzal on board, they missed it by 17 points. Should be draw conclusions that Barzal made them worse? Of course not. Yet that's what you're doing with Duchene and Ottawa.

 

[majormet]

Colorado was 8-6 at the time of the trade. It's not like they were terrible, got rid of Duchene, then went on a tremendous run.

As for why MacKinnon, specifically, took off. It could very well be because now he had the best two linemates on the team, he got all the prime ice time, and he's a talented kid who was bound to break out any moment with or without Duchene.



I just think correlating a team's success/failure to one player leads to false conclusions. I mean, the Isles missed the playoffs by 1 point two seasons ago. With Barzal on board, they missed it by 17 points. Should be draw conclusions that Barzal made them worse? Of course not. Yet that's what you're doing with Duchene and Ottawa.

Well Islanders factors are more like they got a bump in 16/17 with a new coach for sure, there was less of the Judas cloud over the team.... 17/18 was all about bad coaching and the Judas distraction

Colorado .. 8-6 is not NHL great, it is MLB great, NFL above average.... I watched Colorado before and after the trade and the announcers said that MacKinnon had felt more relaxed after the trade, maybe it was like PK was saying the cloud of a trade looming....

Bottom line I would struggle to deal Pelech and a 1st for Duchene at this point, I doubt he would be a great conduit replacement for Judas on the Lee/Bailey line.

 

[beach]

Well Islanders factors are more like they got a bump in 16/17 with a new coach for sure, there was less of the Judas cloud over the team.... 17/18 was all about bad coaching and the Judas distraction

Colorado .. 8-6 is not NHL great, it is MLB great, NFL above average.... I watched Colorado before and after the trade and the announcers said that MacKinnon had felt more relaxed after the trade, maybe it was like PK was saying the cloud of a trade looming....

Bottom line I would struggle to deal Pelech and a 1st for Duchene at this point, I doubt he would be a great conduit replacement for Judas on the Lee/Bailey line.

I don't think it would cost Pelech and a first. But not sure what it would cost....

 

[majormet]

I don't think it would cost Pelech and a first. But not sure what it would cost....

They gave up their 1st to get Duchene, they are going to want an unreasonable package for him, if they take Clutter back with a first, where do we sign up

 

[majormet]

Do you think in 2024, we will see a twitter post of Mayfield in his St Louis Blues bedsheets after signing with the Blues?

 

[BMOK33]

It’s surprising there isn’t more complaining in the media world about Lee and Eberle. I mean can you imagine if a team like the Rangers Bruins Leafs Wings Canadiens lost a guy like Tavares and had 2 more guys going to UFA the next summer? The onslaught would be relentless

 

[majormet]

It’s surprising there isn’t more complaining in the media world about Lee and Eberle. I mean can you imagine if a team like the Rangers Bruins Leafs Wings Canadiens lost a guy like Tavares and had 2 more guys going to UFA the next summer? The onslaught would be relentless

Isles need to focus on getting a top 4 dman somehow and then they can really look to extend players like Lee and Eberle...... I think we will score enough goals with Nelson or Beau at 2C as long as JHS is the RW on that line to gain the puck entry. But Mayfield is in the top 6 and Toews should start the year on the farm and get called up with first injury, so we need that one piece, someone like Scandella would be the right player.

A guy that might be a good trade option would be Jeff Petry if it were MDC, MVS and a 2nd. But I think a dman with 42 points will command something better.

 

[benedictTavares]

sabres sold off O'Reilly for a less than stellar return and he was signed..... You never know what a team will do these days.

 

[BelovedIsles]

Do you think in 2024, we will see a twitter post of Mayfield in his St Louis Blues bedsheets after signing with the Blues?

And we wouldn’t bat an eyelash.

 

[mdubs585]

Well Islanders factors are more like they got a bump in 16/17 with a new coach for sure, there was less of the Judas cloud over the team.... 17/18 was all about bad coaching and the Judas distraction

Colorado .. 8-6 is not NHL great, it is MLB great, NFL above average.... I watched Colorado before and after the trade and the announcers said that MacKinnon had felt more relaxed after the trade, maybe it was like PK was saying the cloud of a trade looming....

Bottom line I would struggle to deal Pelech and a 1st for Duchene at this point, I doubt he would be a great conduit replacement for Judas on the Lee/Bailey line.

Disagree with your "8-6 is not NHL great" angle. If you project that record over a full season it comes to 93.7 points. The Avs wound up with 95. It's not like he left and all of sudden they took it to a new level. They were essentially the same.

 

[buud]

Disagree with your "8-6 is not NHL great" angle. If you project that record over a full season it comes to 93.7 points. The Avs wound up with 95. It's not like he left and all of sudden they took it to a new level. They were essentially the same.

this is true, but it is encouraging to see a team lose their top player, and not fall off the map. i think we can do the same, now that we have solid leadership.

 

[Brunomics]

Isles need to focus on getting a top 4 dman somehow and then they can really look to extend players like Lee and Eberle...... I think we will score enough goals with Nelson or Beau at 2C as long as JHS is the RW on that line to gain the puck entry. But Mayfield is in the top 6 and Toews should start the year on the farm and get called up with first injury, so we need that one piece, someone like Scandella would be the right player.

A guy that might be a good trade option would be Jeff Petry if it were MDC, MVS and a 2nd. But I think a dman with 42 points will command something better.

I'd make it a point to re-sign Lee. He's the type of guy that will still have value a la Chris Kunitz as he gets older and slides into a middle six role. He's also the guy I want as the captain.

Eberle..... that's a tough one. I know him and Barzal have chemistry but I'm not sure he is long for a Trotz led team. I could be wrong but I don't see it.

To me this is Beau and Barzal's team for the next 10 years.

 

[Brunomics]

this is true, but it is encouraging to see a team lose their top player, and not fall off the map. i think we can do the same, now that we have solid leadership.

I feel like Colorado fell into that chemistry with the other players which caused Mackinnon to go on that run.

He's awesome, but I'm not sure they expected that.

 

[majormet]

Disagree with your "8-6 is not NHL great" angle. If you project that record over a full season it comes to 93.7 points. The Avs wound up with 95. It's not like he left and all of sudden they took it to a new level. They were essentially the same.

They went on a run and MacKinnon was the best player in the league for the final 50 games and other guys took off.... Just don't see what Duchene would do unless it was a light deal

 

[majormet]

I'd make it a point to re-sign Lee. He's the type of guy that will still have value a la Chris Kunitz as he gets older and slides into a middle six role. He's also the guy I want as the captain.

Eberle..... that's a tough one. I know him and Barzal have chemistry but I'm not sure he is long for a Trotz led team. I could be wrong but I don't see it.

To me this is Beau and Barzal's team for the next 10 years.

If we sign Lee and have Pulock they are part of that core... Lee is a much better Matt Moulson that is valuable, Eberle may work out Oshie worked out in Washington quite well as did Eller, but one never knows.

I think Ladd should be the captain, at first I didn't think so, but it is the right move now. Bailey is just too quiet and shy for that role, Ladd has done it, need something for him to come out of his funk

 

[780il]

Oil fan coming by to propose a trade.
Bear/Jones + Benson/Samurukov
For
Bellows

You guys need D and we need skill wingers for our elite centers. You guys give up a winger and get back 2 d-men or a d-man and a lesser winger. Flame away.

 

[PWJunior]

Oil fan coming by to propose a trade.
Bear/Jones + Benson/Samurukov
For
Bellows

You guys need D and we need skill wingers for our elite centers. You guys give up a winger and get back 2 d-men or a d-man and a lesser winger. Flame away.

Sorry, not interested. If we're packaging Bellows for a big time upgrade that's one thing, trading him for other question marks holds no appeal.

 

[CodeE]

Oil fan coming by to propose a trade.
Bear/Jones + Benson/Samurukov
For
Bellows

You guys need D and we need skill wingers for our elite centers. You guys give up a winger and get back 2 d-men or a d-man and a lesser winger. Flame away.

When you have to propose packaging two of your lesser prospects together for a better prospect, it's gonna be a no most of the time. When it comes to prospects, quality > quantity

 

[YearlyLottery]

Oil fan coming by to propose a trade.
Bear/Jones + Benson/Samurukov
For
Bellows

You guys need D and we need skill wingers for our elite centers. You guys give up a winger and get back 2 d-men or a d-man and a lesser winger. Flame away.

Nobody gets flamed here unless they are a Leaf fan. Also, why am I not a mod yet guys?

 

[miscs75]

Oil fan coming by to propose a trade.
Bear/Jones + Benson/Samurukov
For
Bellows

You guys need D and we need skill wingers for our elite centers. You guys give up a winger and get back 2 d-men or a d-man and a lesser winger. Flame away.

How about this instead while were at some bad trades:
Brock Nelson, MDC and a 2019 2nd for RNH

Actually, Chiarelli might actually go for this

 

[Brunomics]

Nobody gets flamed here unless they are a Leaf fan. Also, why am I not a mod yet guys?

Leaf fans are open season. I wouldn't flame this kid for coming in proposing a trade.

 

[eoin92]

Nobody gets flamed here unless they are a Leaf fan. Also, why am I not a mod yet guys?

You lost it when Tavares didn’t re-sign. There’s some speculation that it might be your fault.

 

[boredmale]

You guys need D.

We need defensemen who can play now in the top 4 without blinking the eye