Is Matt Murray Broken?

[LOGiK]

I'm pretty sure that's what I'm implying for all goalies.

Don't get all booboo faced.

@BlindWillyMcHurt
Ya man. Don't be all Blind Willy Mc Butt Hurt.

hue hue heuee

 

[LOGiK]

@Ugene Malkin

Hey! Remember when we said those team injuries aren't so bad!

Ahhh those were the days when only 3 or 4 people were hurt.

 

[HandshakeLine]

Goalies will be the first up against the wall when the (scoring) revolution comes.

 

[Ugene Magic]

Lundqvist has won 2 of the 4 playoff series he played against us?

The answer is in my post you quoted.

For how many times the Pens wrecked him, he responded twice back.

That wasn't really limited to the playoffs. Geno owned Lundqvist for a good while.

 

[AuroraBorealis]

For me the problem was always that he has very poor agility for an NHL goalie/starter. His weak glove stems from this too because it's not enough to know that the player wants to shoot glove side, you still have to track the height properly and react.
He's brilliant at positioning and predicting movements when he's on his game. That's why he's had success.

So if he's not insulated and players getting open looks in tight, he sucks at making adjustments to make those difficult ones, especially if a forward gets creative. Just too slow. We saw it in the Blues game.

This is in stark contrast to our other 2 goalies. DeSmith especially is insanely agile.

 

[Khelandros]

Matt Murray with Buckley

Matt Murray with Bales

Broken

 

[Shady Machine]

For me the problem was always that he has very poor agility for an NHL goalie/starter. His weak glove stems from this too because it's not enough to know that the player wants to shoot glove side, you still have to track the height properly and react.
He's brilliant at positioning and predicting movements when he's on his game. That's why he's had success.

So if he's not insulated and players getting open looks in tight, he sucks at making adjustments to make those difficult ones, especially if a forward gets creative. Just too slow. We saw it in the Blues game.

This is in stark contrast to our other 2 goalies. DeSmith especially is insanely agile.

"very poor agility" is a stretch but generally understand the point.

 

[AuroraBorealis]

"very poor agility" is a stretch but generally understand the point.

Only meant relative to other goalies. He's still an athlete.

 

[ChaosAgent]

So then why commit term or money to goalies?

Ding-ding-ding!

Let's not.

 

[canadianguy77]

What I like about TJ is that they aren't collapsing/blocking shots in front of him instinctively in games.

They do that with Murray now. Just like how they used to with MAF.

Maybe that says something about their belief in their goaltender?

 

[ZeroPucksGiven]

For me the problem was always that he has very poor agility for an NHL goalie/starter. His weak glove stems from this too because it's not enough to know that the player wants to shoot glove side, you still have to track the height properly and react.
He's brilliant at positioning and predicting movements when he's on his game. That's why he's had success.

So if he's not insulated and players getting open looks in tight, he sucks at making adjustments to make those difficult ones, especially if a forward gets creative. Just too slow. We saw it in the Blues game.

This is in stark contrast to our other 2 goalies. DeSmith especially is insanely agile.

We'll never know for sure but I'm wondering if MM's groin/knee injury that he suffered a few years ago in warmups in the playoffs hasn't impacted some things. I feel like MM's flexibility and willingness to butterfly correctly have been impacted since then.

Last night I want to point out a scoring chance where Jarry made the save look easy and it was solely due to his positioning/ability to read the play.



~3min mark

Check how far Jarry is out of his crease when the save is made. That's extreme confidence. The shooter is at the top of the circle (on a 1 timer no less). Jarry correctly identifies the only dangerous player is the trailer. He also knows this is an easy 1 time situation for a shooter AND that the chances of him foregoing the shot and dangling are slim since he's got defensive pressure coming.

Once he butterflies and is out THAT far, he knows the shooter has zero angle and the puck has to go through him to go in and seals the ice correctly.

Want to know what the bonus of this play is? No rebound. I don't think anyone would criticize allowing a rebound on such a high velocity shot at close range but Jarry swallows it. If the puck squirts loose there's a good chance the Blues score - pause at 3:09 and tell me what you see? No Pens players boxing out as they're all looking at O Reilly.

Jarry's confidence is sky high right now and he's feeling it. Gotta ride the wave.

 

[Louis Hensler]

At what point does Murray effectively become the backup? Personally, I'd platoon them through December and then decide whom to ride through the spring after the first of the year.

 

[Malkinstheman]

At what point does Murray effectively become the backup? Personally, I'd platoon them through December and then decide whom to ride through the spring after the first of the year.

I'm pretty sure we're already there. Jarry has started 4 of the last 6 games and then came in to relieve Murray in one of the games.

 

[Burn]

I see a defense that gives up way too many shots from prime scoring areas. The Pens never really replaced Cole as a shot blocker and Sullivan's over hyper, over aggressive style has been figured out.

So Murray has to go side to side like very few goalies in the league. Good teams don't let their goalies move that much.

Some goals are on him but every goalie lets in bad goals.

 

[ZeroPucksGiven]

So Murray has to go side to side like very few goalies in the league. Good teams don't let their goalies move that much.

Huh?

Binnington moved last night and moves plenty during his starts. Holtby too.
Are the Blues and Caps not good teams?

Suggest you watch other hockey games. Nearly every team is forcing the goalie to move side to side. No defense is good enough to stop every single high danger attempt- NHL players are just too skilled nowadays

 

[spcastlemagic]

I see a defense that gives up way too many shots from prime scoring areas. The Pens never really replaced Cole as a shot blocker and Sullivan's over hyper, over aggressive style has been figured out.

So Murray has to go side to side like very few goalies in the league. Good teams don't let their goalies move that much.

Some goals are on him but every goalie lets in bad goals.

The last heat map I saw showed us more or less being great at preventing high danger stuff, with all the higher danger stuff we do allow coming from the goalie's right. Hockey reference has us way ahead of the league in higher danger attempts allowed (but not high danger goals against) which to me speaks more to Murray's performance than team defense.

 

[Burn]

I watch enough hockey at every level.

Good teams dont let their goalies go side to side. They play strong within the middle of the ice and there isn't a free for all in the slot. Ive seen enough of two D in one corner to last me a life time.

 

[Burn]

The last heat map I saw showed us more or less being great at preventing high danger stuff, with all the higher danger stuff we do allow coming from the goalie's right. Hockey reference has us way ahead of the league in higher danger attempts allowed (but not high danger goals against) which to me speaks more to Murray's performance than team defense.

Does a heat map show where the pass comes from so the goalie has to extend and open himself up?

 

[spcastlemagic]

Ah, that it would not. I feel like we've done a good job of not allowing cross-crease/cross-slot kind of passes but memory can be faulty and I don't think publicly available stats exist for that kind of stuff yet - teams probably track it internally.

 

[ZeroPucksGiven]

I watch enough hockey at every level.

Good teams dont let their goalies go side to side. They play strong within the middle of the ice and there isn't a free for all in the slot. Ive seen enough of two D in one corner to last me a life time.

What's MM's excuse for letting a ton of point shots in?

Someone had a stat where he's like worst in the league in that metric.

 

[TNT87]

We are fortunate that the Pens can roll out two quality goalies. It's a good "problem" to have when there are teams that don't even have a #1 goalie to play. With Murray struggling the past month Jarry has done a great job carrying the load. You can see he's locked in. I like Murray but obviously you keep Jarry in net with the way he is playing. Murray has shown he can bounce back.

 

[Tender Rip]

I see a defense that gives up way too many shots from prime scoring areas. The Pens never really replaced Cole as a shot blocker and Sullivan's over hyper, over aggressive style has been figured out.

Does anything support that?
Sullivan's system, despite what would for most teams be absolutely debilitating bad luck with injuries, has us in the top 3rd league wide for goals against per game. Before last weekend they were in the top5.
That's despite Murray having a worse save percentage by far than any starter on any of the teams having conceded less than us. Only such starter to be below 0.900.

I don't think there is anything wrong with saying that Murray has been way below the level we expect from him.
At the same time, this happens eventually for almost all goalies. What matters is him showing he can bounce back like he has before. If he can't.... it is certainly looking like very good timing for Jarry to be breaking out.

 

[Tom Hanks]

I see a defense that gives up way too many shots from prime scoring areas. The Pens never really replaced Cole as a shot blocker and Sullivan's over hyper, over aggressive style has been figured out.

So Murray has to go side to side like very few goalies in the league. Good teams don't let their goalies move that much.

Some goals are on him but every goalie lets in bad goals.

We have the 5th best high danger chances against in the league (only 7 off being the best).

Murray has been bad. It’s not the team in front of him. We have another goalie that’s been killing it.

 

[billybudd]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe Mike Bales was either never Matt Murray's goalie coach or only briefly. Murray brought his own guy with him at least by the time he had the starter job, which was prior to his first championship.

 

[Crosbyfan]

Play the hot goalie more often than not, but stay willing to play either. None of this "Fleury is our Goalie" stuff that so clearly backfired on Fleury's delicate psyche, with the extra pressure of being played as a number 1 undeserved while looking like a number 2 (as in...in the toilette)
This will give Murray plenty of time and opportunity to find his game. He's never been a high workload goalie in any case.