Train wreck defensively. Just brutal out there. Very good offensively obviously but nowhere near the talent of guys like Hedman and Doughty who are great at both ends of the ice.
Is Erik Karlsson still a top 5-10 dman?
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I'm not surprised that his shtick isn't flying in a new team that's actually used to winning.Brenden Dillon doesn't seem to think so
Teammate tells Karlsson to f**k off after risky hockey play!
Erik Karlsson has always been a player that gives a lot... and takes a lot. In the long run he contributes much more, obviously, but he's always toying with the line between winning and losing. It's not hard to see why that'd get in the nerve of his teammates who aren't used to a player acting bigger than the team.
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Don't bring facts and logic to this conversation. They don't belong. Just repeat tired tripes about how all offensive defensemen are bad at defense despite what all advance stat metrics say.
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Yeah either that or it’s 5-1 with 30 seconds left and a teammate is just joking around...
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Yeah this is pretty much the opposite of the truth. Karlsson’s teammates love him and the comment was literally a joke.
Karlsson’s behavior, both on and off the ice, has not in any way been that of somebody who is “acting bigger than the team.” Literally nobody paying any sort of attention to his time in San Jose would describe his behavior as such.
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(in no particular order) Hedman, Subban, Suter, McAvoy, Doughty, Rielly, Josi, Dahlin, Chabot, Jones.
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Kind of off topic but worth mentioning: Giveaways and Takeaways aren't official stats because its up to the arena's scorekeeper to decide what constitute as either. So if you look at home/away splits you'll see that Doughty has a Giveaway/Takeaway of 39/2 at Staples Center compared to 13/5 everywhere else. The Kings defense combined is 117/9 at home, 62/22 away. Obviously, they're in last place and the numbers are going to look bad, but the discrepancy between the splits suggests that the statistician at Staples records giveaways at a much higher rate and takeaways at a much lower late than officials at other arenas.
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This would be my first reaction. But then, I’m thinking, the question isn’t whether or not Karlsson is still good. I think it’s worth putting together a top ten list. Karlsson May have fallen out. I dunno.
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Let's ask those who have seen pretty much every single of his games this season.
I have (only) seen about half and my view is that he has been nowhere close to what he was, at his normal level from past years.
Could he get back to his old self? I doubt it, but he can surely play better than he has so far.
His old self is #1 in the world, without a doubt.
The current (so far) is perhaps around 10ish.
Just noticed that his shooting percentage is a whopping 2.1%.
Wow
I have (only) seen about half and my view is that he has been nowhere close to what he was, at his normal level from past years.
Could he get back to his old self? I doubt it, but he can surely play better than he has so far.
His old self is #1 in the world, without a doubt.
The current (so far) is perhaps around 10ish.
Just noticed that his shooting percentage is a whopping 2.1%.
Wow
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A wreck on the highway. Compared to his former self, that is.
"There is nothing noble in being superior to your fellow man;
true nobility is being superior to your former self" (Ernest Hemingway).
"There is nothing noble in being superior to your fellow man;
true nobility is being superior to your former self" (Ernest Hemingway).
And what has that quote to do with Karlsson's situation? Answer: nothing. Leave Hemingway alone, thank you.
Karlsson can't be his former self, let alone superior to that, due to injuries which are not his fault. No amount of "personal growth" can fix that.
And no, I don't even think he was ever the best dman in NHL. Top three at some point, yes.
It's amazing and sad that Karlsson on a agonizingly painful broken foot is that much better than Karlsson on a repaired foot. Another Swedish superstar brought low by a foot.
Could be things outside the ice or his role in the team as well that is a factor. Some d-men peak early and fizzle too. Young winners like Leetch and Potvin went of the map fairly early.
Not everyone is as fortunate as Lids and Ray to play almost at prime level around 40.
Not everyone is as fortunate as Lids and Ray to play almost at prime level around 40.
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Yupp. Some people only see what will fill their narrative.
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I want some of what you were on when you watched the game last night. Karlsson was great. Jones and Vlasic were the reason they lost last night.
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hes the best defenceman in the league again imo. not as flashy as he used to be but he makes the right play every time. helps playing on an actual good team where he doesn't have to do everything by himself.
just been dominant defensively.
just been dominant defensively.
Yeah, about that...Brenden Dillon doesn't seem to think so
Teammate tells Karlsson to f**k off after risky hockey play!
Who cussed out Erik Karlsson?
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Don’t say eye test when you mean points
Brenden Dillon doesn't seem to think so
Teammate tells Karlsson to f**k off after risky hockey play!
“That's me,” confirmed Karlsson. “I ‘motherf***’ myself 15 times a game.”
The idea that Dillon would go batshit on Karlsson with a 5-1 lead and 30 second left...
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