Girgensons seems like a good starting point.
Maybe too good of a starting point? ROR is a great all around player but, probably pricey, and in his last year, has also had well documented contract disputes with COL front office. Not saying COL has to move him but I'm sure it's crossed their collective minds.
I don't see a reason to trade for defensive prospects since we have many. We either go for proven defenseman (or somebody young and ready like Despres/Gormley) or we get rw/lw prospects. Our D is bad but our defensive prospect pool is actually decent.
Precisely. I don't get why everyone wants to trade for guys like Gormley or Zadorov. The Avs need to parlay an ROR trade into immediate defensive help, not potentials.
And Buffalo ain't trading Zemgus. Not. Happening.
Precisely. I don't get why everyone wants to trade for guys like Gormley or Zadorov. The Avs need to parlay an ROR trade into immediate defensive help, not potentials.
And Buffalo ain't trading Zemgus. Not. Happening.
McGinn isn't consistent enough for him to be a detrimental loss to this team. Especially since he is already making 3 million. The Avs could replace him through free agency. I like how he plays, but too many nights he isn't physical, and he isn't overly talented to make up for that.
Well no time like the present right?
And even while I love McG as well and think he will do well in a place like PIT, you have to pay to get. If he can return Despres then do it.
Its not like we are getting Martin in return. Its a young d man with better upside than a guy like Holden actually playing in the NHL on a regular basis.
Precisely. I don't get why everyone wants to trade for guys like Gormley or Zadorov. The Avs need to parlay an ROR trade into immediate defensive help, not potentials.
And Buffalo ain't trading Zemgus. Not. Happening.
He absolutely would be a detrimental loss if they don't replace him, especially given the uncertainty over O'Reilly. They don't know what kind of deal will ultimately be made with him, or whether they will lose him to UFA, which seems likely.
People underrate how hard it is to play physically every single night. This is what I get into with McLeod. It's extremely tough and taxing on your body both physically and mentally. He isn't always consistent in goal scoring or hard nosed physical play, but he does it enough IMO. You're never going to have all your top 9 guys be consistent every single night, that's why you need different guys to step up during the season, and McGinn does that.
Plus just look at the uncertainty over the top 9.
There's the core of
XX - Duchene - XX
Landy - MacKinnon - XX
You've got a 35 year old (tomorrow) Tanguay with one year left after this year, and has had multiple season ending knee injuries the last couple years. A 37 year old Iggy with two years left. And O'Reilly who seems very unlikely to be here after next year.
Then for the potential future 3rd line there's Mitchell who isn't an ideal 3rd line center on a cup team with two more years left after this year, an unproven prospect in Bleackley, and McGinn.
Then there's guys you don't really want playing above the 4th line if you don't have to. McLeod with three years left, and Talbot, Bordy, Cliche, and Winchester with one more year. Briere's deal ends this year and almost assuredly won't be back.
Then there's Everberg, and some other unproven guys consistently, who look solid but aren't some kind of world beaters offensively.
That's why losing a guy like McGinn could be dangerous, given his ability to play very well on the 3rd line and fit in well in spot duty in the top 6 scoring a consistent 20 goals a year, and playing a hard game. It's not like they have that many guys that play a hard nosed game in the top 9. Iggy and Landy both can play physically but they don't really play a rough and tumble style because the team wants them on the ice, not in the penalty box or injured.
He can definitely be traded, but they have to make sure to line up a replacement for him or O'Reilly's spot somehow. They can't just let him go and say they'll figure it out later. Adding good 2nd/3rd liners from other organizations via UFA is usually more expensive than you like.
Look, the Avs are going to have to 'rebuild' (or simply 'build', if you prefer) one area of their team. They look darn good at center and in goal moving forward, and are in pretty good shape at wing. The defense is a mess.
McGinn has six points. Even if the Avalanche were to trade O'Reilly, his output would likely not increase; he's seen time on all three scoring lines this season. He is a glue player.
I would definitely be okay with trading both players for defensemen.
If it meant really fixing the defense, I would have no problem whatsoever trading both O'Reilly and McGinn. I wouldn't hesitate for a moment, and I wouldn't look back even once.
Look, the Avs are going to have to 'rebuild' (or simply 'build', if you prefer) one area of their team. They look darn good at center and in goal moving forward, and are in pretty good shape at wing. The defense is a mess.
But, I'd way rather have to rebuild the wing position through FA/draft, than the defense. Waywaywayway rather. It'll be both cheaper and faster, IMO.
None of us have any way of knowing that. He's a streaky offensive player. It could easily go up.
There's no way of knowing, but it's a safe assumption. He only has one point in the last eight games, some of which was playing with Duchene and O'Reilly.
It's not exactly like a roulette wheel that has the same odds on every spin. I'd say with that kind of streak, if anything there's a better chance he starts contributing. 1 point in 8 games is basically a 10 point season pace. He's not going to continue at that rate.
Like I said, he's streaky. He always has been with the Avs. He started off hot this year, and then cooled off a lot offensively. He'll get back in the scoring column at some point.
As I believe it's Kento said we actually are decent in defensive prospects and have no wingers, which is the ironic part. We are not in good shape at wing beyond 2 years. I understand that getting wingers in are easier than it seems to be to get the unicorn that is a defenseman but it's still a matter of getting them and paying for them. I feel like these discussions all boil down to the certain viewpoints. Some people wee the team in the context of winning the next 2-3 years and some see it in a longer range.
I don't see that Buffalo would have any interest in an O'Reilly deal. They aren't trying to win anything now and in a few years they are going to need to start paying some of their young guys. Giving O'Reilly the contract he wants is going to be a significant expense. I'm not sure if he will straight up go to the highest bidder but I feel like a high profile team that likes to spend silly money like Philly or Toronto sound like more of a fit.
Exactly. On an average season, he will end up around 35-40 points, no matter who he is playing with. Which is why Colorado shouldn't be afraid of dealing him for fear of needing a cushion for a potential O'Reilly trade.
I'm not sure I'm following your logic here, but I'm not exactly sure what you're saying either.
We agree on the final point output, but the 1 point in 8 games thing threw me off. He's going to improve on that pace, but I guess maybe you were saying it's unlikely he improves on that 35-40 point final output we usually see?
Either way, doesn't it make sense though that losing McGinn without replacing him makes losing O'Reilly without replacing him even worse? Now you're faced with trying to replace both via UFA.