"I'm not going to be a coach that protects a tie in overtime" Martin St. louis

[NewDef]

He will get his own coaching staff If he stays and I think he will surround himself with a guy with experience as assistant

The best management peoples surround themselve with trusted specialists. They make the hard calls but they don't have to know everything. Overall, they must be trusted leaders. I had boss i would follow in hell if asked, I was the specialist but the trust in the man and his vision made individuals into a team with a purpose. Most fun in my life but man did I work hard. Still remember these years fondly.

 

[jaffy27]

100 pt seasons with CP31's prime years..........wasted.
Reggie Houle was told to dismantle a hockey club....Bergevin did it on his own. Price made the Rinse and Repeat Era bearable. Bergevin was very lucky CP31 got him a 5 year extension.

That's great......still finished with multi 100pt seasons and a ECF and SCF....those are facts so to say it was unbearable was a bit of a stretch.....we had between 94 and 07 a thirteen year period of no better then 3rd place finish.....this far outweighs 10yrs of multiple 1st place finishes and 100pt+ seasons and SCF appearance.

My point is not to break down every season and if the coaches were the right coaches or did we develop well.....it's about team success and playoff participation, and the last 10yrs were a better stretch then the 94 to 07 thirteen year era......

nobody can argue this, whether it's a star goalie that brought us there or 3 star forwards, we tasted more success in the Bergevin era.

 

[jaffy27]

His bests years were with Gainey/Gauthier core, that's pretty much the only thing this highlight.

because of Price and Gallagher??

OK.....when Hughes and Gorton taste success with the Bergevin core of Suzuki, Guhle, Caufield, Romanov, Harris, Anderson and this year's 1st round pick gift we'll make sure to give full credit to Bergevin ok.

I mean Bergevin was gifted Galchenyuk right so we'll apply the same excuses to this management then we reserved for Bergy.

sounds ridiculous eh

 

[DAChampion]

because of Price and Gallagher??

OK.....when Hughes and Gorton taste success with the Bergevin core of Suzuki, Guhle, Caufield, Romanov, Harris, Anderson and this year's 1st round pick gift we'll make sure to give full credit to Bergevin ok.

I mean Bergevin was gifted Galchenyuk right so we'll apply the same excuses to this management then we reserved for Bergy.

sounds ridiculous eh

We should be able to contextualize what HuGo got from Bergevin and what they'll be adding.

 

[WickedPegJets]

Play loose to make offensive plays and let the D just slide... Fans get entertained and we play .500 hockey or worse. Everybody wins.

Yes, this Marty style of play is very entertaining but the team in 2023 won’t likely make the playoffs because it’s not a defensively responsible strategy. Let’s say management decided in season 2024 that the rebuild is complete, the coaches will then teach the players how to defend. Bad habits will hang on like a ran over penny.

 

[Lshap]

imagine being able to f*** up that badly at your job and just keep going like nothing happened

I make a mistake and my life is ruined

Dude, I hope you're not a surgeon or a pilot.

 

[Sasha Orlov]

Dude, I hope you're not a surgeon or a pilot.

Lawyer

 

[BLONG7]

That's great......still finished with multi 100pt seasons and a ECF and SCF....those are facts so to say it was unbearable was a bit of a stretch.....we had between 94 and 07 a thirteen year period of no better then 3rd place finish.....this far outweighs 10yrs of multiple 1st place finishes and 100pt+ seasons and SCF appearance.

My point is not to break down every season and if the coaches were the right coaches or did we develop well.....it's about team success and playoff participation, and the last 10yrs were a better stretch then the 94 to 07 thirteen year era......

nobody can argue this, whether it's a star goalie that brought us there or 3 star forwards, we tasted more success in the Bergevin era.

More success n the Bergevin Era...............because of Price....Price did not play between 94 and 07.......
It's just that simple and we all know it....for the most part, Bergevin and the team were a sham most seasons, and Price carried them. We all know how good they were as a team, when Price was injured.
Laying it all on the goalie, was not the way to go............
Bergevin was the lucky clown who was in charge, while a HOF goalie did his thing, too bad Bergevin couldn;t give him a decent supporting cast. Arrogance, and terrible decisions is what I remember of that Era.

 

[BLONG7]

because of Price and Gallagher??

OK.....when Hughes and Gorton taste success with the Bergevin core of Suzuki, Guhle, Caufield, Romanov, Harris, Anderson and this year's 1st round pick gift we'll make sure to give full credit to Bergevin ok.

I mean Bergevin was gifted Galchenyuk right so we'll apply the same excuses to this management then we reserved for Bergy.

sounds ridiculous eh

Price/Gally/Max/PK Subban/Markov/3rd OA pick.....2 Buyouts Gomez/Kaberle....the core were kids....so let's not pretend he didn't inherit big time....
Price was 24 yrs old..........Hugo got him when he was 34 and injured.
The biggest mistake made by the clown, was never picking a direction...never. Lowering expectations on a daily basis, and moving the goalposts, and laying the entire operation at the feet of the goalie is what he did for 10 years.
The new regime are using their brains as they move forward. They are maing an entire roster reconstruction by building through the draft. They aquired TWO firsts in a four week period, something Bergevin did not do in 10 years........10 years.
Let's admit the Bergevin Era had some success, but more in spite of his efforts, not to mention a world pandemic got his team to the playoffs twice, that they actually did not deserve to be in based on performance.
Sorry man, we will have to agree to disagree on Bergevin.

 

[Price is Wright]

Not much better probably. The guy can't even make it in the K. He looked like Quasimodo on ice, never seen an nhl player skating like that. Just awful scouting.

Never liked the pick. Then again I wanted Ho-Sang so I'm no drafting genius.

 

[beowulf]

While I generally agree with his sentiment, there are times that it is worth doing.

 

[DAChampion]

While I generally agree with his sentiment, there are times that it is worth doing.

When is it worth protecting the tie in overtime?

 

[beowulf]

When is it worth protecting the tie in overtime?

Rarely but times when you want that extra point and feel you have a better chance of getting it in the SO if you are much better than your opponent in the SO.

 

[DAChampion]

Rarely but times when you want that extra point and feel you have a better chance of getting it in the SO if you are much better than your opponent in the SO.

Isn't shootout a coin flip?

 

[beowulf]

Isn't shootout a coin flip?

Not really Habs have 6 wins 11 loses in Overtime but are 3-2 in SO

OT Who Had The Best NHL Overtime Records 2021-2022 | StatMuse

So NHL Teams Shootout Records 2021-2022 | StatMuse

 

[Spring in Fialta]

I casually watched some of our SCF games but was nowhere as excited as I should have been.

The day the clown got shown the door is more important than the SCF run. I could finally actually cheer for the team's success.

I still can't believe people say this without a hint or irony. You couldn't cheer during the run and only watched casually because you didn't like the GM? That's next-level silliness.

 

[Spring in Fialta]

Isn't shootout a coin flip?

Of course not. Some players are better at them than others.

 

[Kent Nilsson]

The remaining MB apologists are really something.

 

[Milhouse40]

The remaining MB apologists are really something.

Well, for 10 years the medias as spinned everything Bergevin was doing as gold.
They backed all of his moves the second it was made and it was always great.

Every coach hiring - Great
Every draft - Great
Every signing - Great
Every trades - Great

Either it was against Pacioretty, Radulov, Subban or even Markov.....whatever Bergevin was doing, it was a great decision. The reality is that not even half of it was great. But for 10 years, they always had his back.

 

[nhlfan9191]

because of Price and Gallagher??

OK.....when Hughes and Gorton taste success with the Bergevin core of Suzuki, Guhle, Caufield, Romanov, Harris, Anderson and this year's 1st round pick gift we'll make sure to give full credit to Bergevin ok.

I mean Bergevin was gifted Galchenyuk right so we'll apply the same excuses to this management then we reserved for Bergy.

sounds ridiculous eh

He was gifted a third overall pick. Galchenyuk was his decision.

 

[JoelWarlord]

Yes, this Marty style of play is very entertaining but the team in 2023 won’t likely make the playoffs because it’s not a defensively responsible strategy. Let’s say management decided in season 2024 that the rebuild is complete, the coaches will then teach the players how to defend. Bad habits will hang on like a ran over penny.

Since St. Louis took over the Habs are 18th in the league in GA. Given the state of the roster and goaltending situation that's pretty respectable and doesn't really support the idea they're just cheating to create offence.

The model here is Carolina and that's not a team anyone would call defensively irresponsible.

 

[Spring in Fialta]

He was gifted a third overall pick. Galchenyuk was his decision.

I don't like Bergevin but this is false. He wanted Reilly and deferred to his head scout here because he hadn't been around long.

 

[Nicko999]

I still can't believe people say this without a hint or irony. You couldn't cheer during the run and only watched casually because you didn't like the GM? That's next-level silliness.

Absolutely. I like the Habs but I despite Bergevin even more.

We're still being haunted by his moves. We saw how flukey that run was. And if not for covid, it would have been 5 (6?) Seasons with no playoffs.
As we saw the run ended up hurting us even more. We would have had 3 first round picks this year for example.

 

[nhlfan9191]

I don't like Bergevin but this is false. He wanted Reilly and deferred to his head scout here because he hadn't been around long.

Last time I checked he was the general manager which means he’s in charge of the operation and gets last word.

 

[Spring in Fialta]

Last time I checked he was the general manager which means he’s in charge of the operation and gets last word.

Yeah, but be realistic. I wish we'd gotten Reilly but it makes sense he let Timmins make his pick. He'd been on the job what, a month?