If the Leafs miss the playoffs, does Dubas keep his job?

[stopclickbait]

I guess that's where the people debating with you disagree.

- We value Johnsson more than a late 1st rounder (I.e around the 22nd pick).
- We don't think Marleau drives possession nor is he a good top-9 LW anymore.

Giving away a 20 goal scorer instead of a mid round to late 1st round pick seems pretty hilarious.

 

[Al14]

Matthews is a better player than Eichel. He plays heavier, and can be more physically dominant, especially with puck possession along the walls. The only other star young player close to AM is Draisatl, and he’s not (really) a center.

Good one Lucky, good one. Best laugh of today!

I'm sure he probably weighs more than Eichell, but thats the extent of him playing heavier!

 

[yubbers]

Why would you want to keep a late 1st rounder instead of AJ?

I don't really see much value in AJ personally. We have too many forwards like him.

 

[yubbers]

Let's remember before Dubas took over some of Lou Lamoriello horrible moves. Signing Patrick Marleau to a 3 year contract of $6.25 million when he was over 35 years old, giving Nikita Zaitsev a 7 year extension after playing 1 year in the NHL and trading for Tomas Plekanec.

All GMs have past GM moves to deal with. You make it sound like he's the only new GM to ever experience such a thing. These players you speak of......on a team that set a f***ing franchise record in points! How bad could they have been really? He replaced them and we're worse. So....

 

[ACC1224]

I added to my last post but here: Remember that we only had Hyman and Marleau at LW at that time. That's terrible depth. The bet on Engvall and Mikheyev has paid off huge, so I'm open to moving Johnsson as well. It would have looked real bad if we moved Johnsson and had only Marleau confirmed at LW (Hyman was injured for the first month of the season).

Also, I really doubt Carolina wanted another winger. They're stacked with wingers and defensemen.

I agree that they didn’t have a good handle on Engvall and Mikheyev.
Not sure about Carolina wanted. Can always involve another team if that’s the case.

 

[LeafsNation75]

All GMs have past GM moves to deal with. You make it sound like he's the only new GM to ever experience such a thing. These players you speak of......on a team that set a ****ing franchise record in points! How bad could they have been really?

Do you honestly believe that Tomas Plekanec's 0 Goals and 2 assists in 17 regular season games with Toronto had any impact to the Leafs getting 105 points in 2018? It was a bad trade by Lou and a waste of a 2nd round pick.

 

[ACC1224]

It's also easy to say after the fact and with hindsight based on Johnsson season so far that Dubas should have traded him instead of their 1st round pick.

I preferred Johnsson at the time.
It’s more keeping the 1st then move Johnsson, he’s just an example.

 

[ShaneFalco]

All GMs have past GM moves to deal with. You make it sound like he's the only new GM to ever experience such a thing. These players you speak of......on a team that set a ****ing franchise record in points! How bad could they have been really? He replaced them and we're worse. So....

Points in regular season is the bar apparently.
Dude you complain about hainsey and a fn backup goalie and pointz! And only show up when losing

 

[yubbers]

Do you honestly believe that Tomas Plekanec and his 0 Goals and 2 assists in 17 regular season games with Toronto had any impact to the Leafs getting 105 points in 2018? It was a bad trade by Lou and a waste of a 2nd round pick.

You left out a couple of names there. He had 2 goals and 2 assists with a +1 in the Boston series. Far from our biggest issue. For comparison. Willy was 1 goal 3 assists -4. AM had 1 goal 1 assist -4.

But plek was our problem? No. Not the greatest trade but it was for some veteran presence in the playoffs. Dubas lets our veterans go for nothing with disatrous results. See McBackup. See Hainsey. Lets hope the Marleau pick doesn't make it a trifecta of fail.

 

[LeafsNation75]

Points in regular season is the bar apparently.
Dude you complain about hainsey and a fn backup goalie and pointz! And only show up when losing

Last season when the Leafs got 100 points they were one game away from eliminating the Bruins since they were up 3-2 going into Game 6 and leading 1-0 in the 1st period. So if it wasn't for Babcock's questionable decisions that's something which would have happened and Kyle Dubas was their GM last year.

 

[yubbers]

Points in regular season is the bar apparently.
Dude you complain about hainsey and a fn backup goalie and pointz! And only show up when losing

Read that out loud to yourself. You do realize that points are what they play for yeah? lirl. How else should we quantify if a team is better or worse then? Zone entries? stats that 'predict' the future? Ignore the cold hard facts so that you can speculate?

 

[BertCorbeau]

Worth pointing out that while the '17-'18 Leafs hold the franchise points record in a single season, the '18-'19 Leafs had more regulation and OT wins (4 more). The '17-'18 squad benefitted from 7 shoot out wins.

 

[LeafsNation75]

You left out a couple of names there. He had 2 goals and 2 assists with a +1 in the Boston series. Far from our biggest issue. For comparison. Willy was 1 goal 3 assists -4. AM had 1 goal 1 assist -4.

But plek was our problem? No. Not the greatest trade but it was for some veteran presence in the playoffs. Dubas lets our veterans go for nothing with disatrous results. See McBackup. See Hainsey. Lets hope the Marleau pick doesn't make it a trifecta of fail.

One of his 2 goals in the playoffs was into an empty net so that just made his stat line look better. Plus if it wasn't for Kadri being suspended we would have never seen Plekanec take his spot and play more minutes.

 

[yubbers]

One of his 2 goals in the playoffs was into an empty net so that just made his stat line look better. Plus if it wasn't for Kadri being suspended we would have never seen Plekanec take his spot and play more minutes.

But he did play the minutes. ANd outproduced both AM and Willy. So clearly not the issue that series

 

[LeafsNation75]

Worth pointing out that while the '17-'18 Leafs hold the franchise points record in a single season, the '18-'19 Leafs had more regulation and OT wins (4 more). The '17-'18 squad benefitted from 7 shoot out wins.

It also wasn't until the Leafs 78th game last season that they played in their first shootout against the Flyers which they lost. Their only other shootout happened in their 82nd game against Montreal which they also lost.

 

[BrannigansLaw]

I guess that's where the people debating with you disagree.

- We value Johnsson more than a late 1st rounder (I.e around the 22nd pick).
- We don't think Marleau drives possession nor is he a good top-9 LW anymore.

Edit:
Just to add to this: This was in the summer, before the bets on Engvall and Mikheyev being legitmate middle-6 wingers paid off. Now that we know for a fact we have Hyman, Engvall, Mikheyev at LW, I'm open to moving Johnsson.

Around the 22nd pick? Where'd you get that number from? Last I checked, the Canes are in line to receive 18th pick.

 

[yubbers]

It also wasn't until the Leafs 78th game last season that they played in their first shootout against the Flyers which they lost. Their only other shootout happened in their 82nd game against Montreal which they also lost.

Man do I remember that game. Damn shootout.

 

[LeafsNation75]

But he did play the minutes. ANd outproduced both AM and Willy. So clearly not the issue that series

Toronto's best player that year was Mitch Marner and the only reason they forced a Game 7.

 

[yubbers]

Bottom line is we're 7 11 points off last year's pace and out of a playoff spot. And looking shaky.

It is COMPLETELY logical to question that.

 

[yubbers]

Toronto's best player that year was Mitch Marner and the only reason they forced a Game 7.

I wouldn't disagree with that.

 

[BrannigansLaw]

Toronto's best player that year was Mitch Marner and the only reason they forced a Game 7.

Uh no, he was good in Game 1, then basically invisible (except on the PK). Matthews goal scoring forced a Game 7

Edit: My bad, thought you were talking about 2019. Apologies. Yes, 2018 he was the reason we forced Game 7

 

[LeafingTheWay]

Around the 22nd pick? Where'd you get that number from? Last I checked, the Canes are in line to receive 18th pick.

Our 1st rounder last year in 2019 was 22nd pick (traded to LA in Muzzin deal).

 

[LeafingTheWay]

Worth pointing out that while the '17-'18 Leafs hold the franchise points record in a single season, the '18-'19 Leafs had more regulation and OT wins (4 more). The '17-'18 squad benefitted from 7 shoot out wins.

They really gotta get rid of shootouts.

 

[LeafsNation75]

Uh no, he was good in Game 1, then basically invisible (except on the PK). Matthews goal scoring forced a Game 7

I was referring to the series against the Bruins in 2018 when Marner had 2 Goals, 7 Assists, 9 Points in the seven games played.

In Game 6 that year Marner himself had a goal and assist.

 

[LeafsNation75]

They really gotta get rid of shootouts.

I don't mind the shootout if the Leafs happen to win it, however I hate them even more when they lose it.