If the Leafs miss the playoffs, does Dubas keep his job?

[egd27]

Actually, he's using a stat mostly influenced by goaltending to describe how the team of skaters is defensively, and as expected, he came to the wrong conclusion.

Of course he did, imagine thinking a team that gives up the fewest goals in the NHL may be good defensively. Next he'll be trying to delude us into thinking St. Louis was a good team last year because they won the Stanley Cup.

Ludicrous.

 

[LeafsNation75]

Eichel has 5 more points and 1 less game played. Auston is not "a much better player than him". They are very close. Eichel isnt being fed by one of the best playmakers in the game (marner) or playing behind someone of tavares caliber.

Eichel has more points because who else does he have on his team?

 

[Dekes For Days]

Of course he did, imagine thinking a team that gives up the fewest goals in the NHL may be good defensively.

Imagine thinking that you can just ignore an entire set of data and measures of this exact thing, and instead exclusively use one other stat in an incorrect way.

 

[DarkKnight]

A timely piece:

The knives will be out for Kyle Dubas (including his own) if the Maple Leafs don’t turn this season around | The Star

Pay wall. One thing of note on the Kadri trade, the “listless Barrie” was a good descriptor.

 

[BrannigansLaw]

Imagine thinking that you can just ignore an entire set of data and measures of this exact thing, and instead exclusively use one other stat in an incorrect way.

You must work in the analytics department for MLSE the way you're so invested in these stats. Is it a if Kyle goes, I go type of situation for you?

 

[Muikea Bulju]

ofcourse, but what if Andersen plays like he is playing the rest of the season. That’s something GM can’t control, bc Dubas is not counting Andersen to have a breakout season, he was counting him to have his normal season

Andersen was 91,4%, 91,9%, 91,8%, 91,8%, 91,7% the last 5 seasons before this one

He is 90,9% this season. A breakout season???

 

[Dekes For Days]

You must work in the analytics department for MLSE the way you're so invested in these stats.

No, I don't work in the analytics department for MLSE. Using the correct stats/information for what you are trying to evaluate is important no matter what you do, and these stats aren't all that complicated or difficult to understand if you're not purposefully ignoring them.

 

[BrannigansLaw]

No, I don't work in the analytics department for MLSE. Using the correct stats/information for what you are trying to evaluate is important no matter what you do, and these stats aren't all that complicated or difficult to understand if you're not purposefully ignoring them.

I ignore them because they are useless. They have very tangential predictive ability at best that shows no strong correlation to on ice results. Until that happens, I don't care about these types of stats.

 

[Dekes For Days]

I ignore them because they are useless.

They are not useless at all. They are extremely valuable, and provide additional insight and information on what is going on and why.

There is no valid reason to dismiss them, especially in favour of a much less descriptive stat.

 

[LeafsNation75]

A timely piece:

The knives will be out for Kyle Dubas (including his own) if the Maple Leafs don’t turn this season around | The Star

Pay wall. One thing of note on the Kadri trade, the “listless Barrie” was a good descriptor.

I only clicked the link to see who wrote that and when I saw it was Dave Feschuk I decided not to keep reading it.

 

[LeafingTheWay]

I ignore them because they are useless. They have very tangential predictive ability at best that shows no strong correlation to on ice results. Until that happens, I don't care about these types of stats.

lmaooo

 

[ToneDog]

I ignore them because they are useless. They have very tangential predictive ability at best that shows no strong correlation to on ice results. Until that happens, I don't care about these types of stats.

Lou without the analytics - 105 points.

 

[LeafsNation75]

No one knew Babcock would be that bad.

There were a lot of Leafs fans calling for Babcock to be fired after last years playoffs, so it was something building that was about to happen with him. I'm also sure the players didn't like what he did to Jason Spezza considering all the years he has been in the NHL.

 

[LeafingTheWay]

Lou without the analytics - 105 points.

Dubas without the analytics - 100 points
Dubas with the analytics - 110 points pace

 

[ToneDog]

Dubas without the analytics - 100 points
Dubas with the analytics - 110 points pace

Need to keep that pace up or Dubas with analytics - out of playoffs.

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

Need to keep that pace up or Dubas with analytics - out of playoffs.

how much of a role do you think using analytics has played in the Leafs underperforming this year?

 

[ToneDog]

how much of a role do you think using analytics has played in the Leafs underperforming this year?

No idea. Not really in tune but I am sure the numbers do paint a picture of players and teams. Leafs are heavily into analytics yet we are out of a playoff spot. Scary to think where we would be without the analytics.

 

[LeafingTheWay]

No idea. Not really in tune but I am sure the numbers do paint a picture of players and teams. Leafs are heavily into analytics yet we are out of a playoff spot. Scary to think where we would be without the analytics.

Well yeah, it's very difficult to have an organization use analytics when the coach who's supposed to implement it isn't aligned with it.

It'd be like having all the research and evidence of climate change existing and then having a President not believe in it (Just an example).

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

No idea. Not really in tune but I am sure the numbers do paint a picture of players and teams. Leafs are heavily into analytics yet we are out of a playoff spot. Scary to think where we would be without the analytics.

well as Dubas said, it's the sort of thing where everyone has to be on board. Babcock wasn't, and was in some sort of weird struggle to try to do things his own way. Luckily he lost and things should be better now that there's an organizational buy in

 

[LeafsNation75]

Well yeah, it's very difficult to have an organization use analytics when the coach who's supposed to implement it isn't aligned with it.

It'd be like having all the research and evidence of climate change existing and then having a President not believe in it (Just an example).

All the more reason why Dubas should have been the go ahead to fire Babcock after last years playoffs.

 

[LeafsNation75]

well as Dubas said, it's the sort of thing where everyone has to be on board. Babcock wasn't, and was in some sort of weird struggle to try to do things his own way. Luckily he lost and things should be better now that there's an organizational buy in

Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Babcock say he would try and change, because I do remember Dubas saying he would need to do that.

 

[Stamkos4life]

Of course he did, imagine thinking a team that gives up the fewest goals in the NHL may be good defensively. Next he'll be trying to delude us into thinking St. Louis was a good team last year because they won the Stanley Cup.

Ludicrous.

Just because the blues won the cup doesn't mean they were the best team.

Man I feel silly just saying that.

 

[LeafsNation75]

An observation:

Some of these posters are a bigger fan of KD than they are of the leafs.

You can tell because when someone says they do not like KD or agree with his moves, they get flamed and told that they arent a leaf fan.

Mean while, these same KD fans were among the ones who hated babs the most.

So clearly you can hate someone on the team or in the organization, but it has to be the PC person.

Its baffling, really. I don't remember another time where a leaf gm has had such a cult following even though they have shown nothing but regression since taking over.

Just because I'm defending Dubas doesn't mean I'm a bigger fan of him compared to the Leafs and you are 100% wrong to make an assumption like that.

I'm just looking at things from a logical prospective like how he shouldn't get any blame over trading a 1st round pick to get rid of Marleau's contract, since he never signed him to 3 years and $6.25 million AAV.

 

[ShaneFalco]

An observation:

Some of these posters are a bigger fan of KD than they are of the leafs.

You can tell because when someone says they do not like KD or agree with his moves, they get flamed and told that they arent a leaf fan.

Mean while, these same KD fans were among the ones who hated babs the most.

So clearly you can hate someone on the team or in the organization, but it has to be the PC person.

Its baffling, really. I don't remember another time where a leaf gm has had such a cult following even though they have shown nothing but regression since taking over.

Wtf ever most know and admit to his faults others go full anti Dubsd no matter what - over 38 year old dman and a journey back up
Never see you when the leafs are winning

 

[Bomber0104]

You must work in the analytics department for MLSE the way you're so invested in these stats. Is it a if Kyle goes, I go type of situation for you?

You're giving way too much credit here.

All he's doing is peddling garbage blog stats, which are absolutely not what's used in the NHL in any way shape or form.

Even the individuals who invent the models acknowledge their very real shortcomings due to the bare-minimum amount of data that the NHL releases for public consumption.

Unfortunately in the arena of internet debate that all gets forgotten, and these very rudimentary models get used to make all sorts of ridiculous statements of fact.