Fantomas
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LOL how about no...ehats lazy is not looking at the absolute garbage that goalies back then let in. It’s there for anyone to see. There’s many goalies today who have surpassed Roy. Many.
I understand the pain this causes, but this pain was allowed in by how the question was formulated.
Why do your posts always begin with LOL? Varied opinion are welcome here. There is no one right answer.LOL how about no...
The "players today would be the best ever, because players today are better than ever" argument is lazy as shit.
It's a waste of everyone's time and it pollutes the very nature of the History subforum, where all posters ostensibly respect the rich tapestry of the game and the players who played it.
What's lazy is not looking at the absolute garbage that goalies back then let in.
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Even if you upgrade Roy to Price's standard technically, he's still smaller and slower. Is he any better than Halak? I'm not sure, but that's around where I would place Roy's ACTUAL value.
LOL how about no...
The "players today would be the best ever, because players today are better than ever" argument is lazy as shit.
It's a waste of everyone's time and it pollutes the very nature of the History subforum, where all posters ostensibly respect the rich tapestry of the game and the players who played it.
Why do your posts always begin with LOL? Varied opinion are welcome here. There is no one right answer.
On the topic of Price
I find posts on the main boards saying McDavid/Crosby in the 80s would score 300+ points idiotic, and similarly idiotic posts saying Gretzky couldn't score 40 in today's league. Gretzky is much better than Crosby/McDavid.
I'm a little more open minded in regards to goalies though. I feel so much of their abilities are tied to techniques and athletics - and i think those are things that have just gotten better with time. To me Carey Price is the best goalie of the post cap-era - he had the best peak (career is much more debatable). I could probably get behind the idea that goalies today are more capable than goalies of even ~20 years ago - and Price being the best of the bunch, is therefore the best. Obviously that doesn't necessarily make him the "goat" since vs league and peers Hasek/Roy are eons above him. But in absolute sense for goalie skills, may not be all that far fetched
Do you really think if you dropped Price into the 1960 NHL with no mask and the pads, skates, trappers, blockers and skates of those times he would look so much better than Plante, Hall and Sawchuk?
Do you really think if you dropped Price into the 1960 NHL with no mask and the pads, skates, trappers, blockers and skates of those times he would look so much better than Plante, Hall and Sawchuk?
It's fine to think that. However, there's no evidence for it...I think Lemieux was better than Gretzky
No of course not. Any player needs time to adjust to a different era, especially a goalie.
That's not what I said though.
Against today's players of course not, back then? I'm sure several would without issueA lot of today's goalies wouldn't set a foot on the ice without a mask.
You mean against players with composite sticks vs players with wood sticks?Against today's players of course not, back then? I'm sure several would without issue
If only that told the entire story right. It's not like the players back then were hitting 90+mph each and every game, and even if they were most shots were closer to the ice surface than not.You mean against players with composite sticks vs players with wood sticks?
It's fine to think that. However, there's no evidence for it...
Do you really think if you dropped Price into the 1960 NHL with no mask and the pads, skates, trappers, blockers and skates of those times he would look so much better than Plante, Hall and Sawchuk?
Saying it first: I'm not even going to touch this one.This is not the argument I was making and the question wasn't defined this narrowly. But if you let him keep his technique I don't see why he'd need all that equipment. He'd just have to watch out for Hull... the rest of them would be a picnic for him. It's a picnic for him now if he sees the puck and there are a few Hulls on the ice at any given time with minimal windups. In your hypothetical I assume he grew up with no mask, so I don't see the problem. Would be far easier for him to adjust than for Glenn Hall to step in net today.
Also, you are slipping out from under the real argument. Price is THE GOAT and it's not even close. Hasek would be great today, but he would have to change his style as he did when he got older because he would be letting in uneccesary goals- but his flexibility would allow him to remain dominant. Roy I think would have problems because of his size/quickness/lack of flexibility combo, but Lundqvist played deep effectively. I just don't see him, even if you upgrade him, being at the level of Price in today's Super NHL.
As for Gretzky, I think he'd be an excellent offensive player. Put him in McDavid's shoes and his role wouldn't change much- he wouldn't have to play defense. He would definitely need Draisitl on his line though, whereas McDavid doesn't need him. Would Edmonton win more games? I doubt it.
Saying it first: I'm not even going to touch this one.