How do Professional Referees still keep falling plays like this (Pietrangelo embellishment)...and why cant all penalties be challenged?

[Golden_Jet]

Because the NHL refuses to hold known problem officials like Sutherland accountable. There seems to be no punishment for openly fixing games.

Lmao @ fixing games.
Yet players vote him the best ref every year.

 

[Three On Zero]

Okay sorry, their media is spending an intermission segment crying for reviews of a mediocre non-call AND it's brought here as a premise for the thesis that a rule needs to be changed

Had it changed the outcome of a game sure, but it really was a nothing play in the grand scheme of the game

 

[snag]

Lmao @ fixing games.
Yet players vote him the best ref every year.

Who does?

NHLers Name Best, Worst Refs in Athletic Poll

NHL players have spoken and the results are in. Here who they’ve picked as the best - and the worst - NHL referees in a new poll from The Athletic.

scoutingtherefs.com

 

[GrumpyKoala]

I don't mind coach being able to challenge anything.

As long as,

-The challenge is issued right away, not after 2 fake line change and let me talk to you for 2 minutes while my minions upstairs disect the play

-You get two minutes for delay of games for wrong challenges then the double for additional ones

-You lose a timeout when you lose a challenge.

-You have no timeout left, you can't challenge anymore.

 

[North Cole]

Challenging calls seems like a waste of time. Are they really going to correct themselves? Even in situations where...'they just wanted to get something on that team early'?

Refs aren't incompetent. They are just doing what the league wants them to do.

 

[snag]

I don't mind coach being able to challenge anything.

As long as,

-The challenge is issued right away, not after 2 fake line change and let me talk to you for 2 minutes while my minions upstairs disect the play

-You get two minutes for delay of games for wrong challenges then the double for additional ones

-You lose a timeout when you lose a challenge.

-You have no timeout left, you can't challenge anymore.

You get a penalty AND lose a timeout? Man, yer a hard ass lol

 

[Golden_Jet]

Who does?

NHLers Name Best, Worst Refs in Athletic Poll

NHL players have spoken and the results are in. Here who they’ve picked as the best - and the worst - NHL referees in a new poll from The Athletic.

scoutingtherefs.com

Oh second best, my bad, forgot about Wes.

 

[MikeyMike01]

Works for football

The NFL is able to review plays and correct calls in under 10 seconds. It’s rare to need a full blown review. The NHL should learn from them.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Lol at that video calling out Sutherland, who has been one of the top referees of the decade. Try harder.

 

[Golden_Jet]

The NFL is able to review plays and correct calls in under 10 seconds. It’s rare to need a full blown review. The NHL should learn from them.

lol @ 10 seconds, I’ve seen 5+ minutes before, just like NHL sometimes.
I’ve seen them go to commercials, come back and still reviewing in the NFL.

 

[BigBadBruins7708]

All I see is his head going back from getting hit backwards into the boards. There was no exaggerated head snap.

 

[Ted Hoffman]

The NHL doesn't seem to fine players for diving anymore.

Just in March:

Sundqvist of Blues fined for actions in Blues game | NHL.com

Forward disciplined $2,000 for embellishment against Oilers on Feb. 28

www.nhl.com

Cousins of Panthers fined for actions in Panthers game | NHL.com

Forward disciplined $2,000 for embellishment against Sabres on Feb. 27

www.nhl.com

Hathaway fined for actions in Flyers game | NHL.com

Forward disciplined $2,000 for embellishment against Bruins

www.nhl.com

 

[Golden_Jet]

lol are we watching the same video?

The stick started on Pietrangelo's biceps/forearm...rode up as far high as the nipples and certainly didnt go higher than collarbone. head snap back was hugely unnecessary.

Like i said tho, i dont blame players for doing it since Refs continue to fall for it.

If by snap you mean flinch, sure.
If you’ve played at a competitive level, then I guess you wouldn’t realize it’s a natural reaction when a stick comes up high.
Especially if you’ve had multiple stitches in the face from them, like a lot of us have had.

 

[GrumpyKoala]

I have never understood this stupid stance by the NHL. Either it IS a penalty, or it IS embellishing. It cannot be both, and coaches should be able to challenge it to have it reviewed.

It can be both, I can trip you then you can go the extra soccer miles for everyone to know about it.

The way I would fix this is embellishments should get you 4 minutes and a 10 misconduct.

What trouble me more is the goaltending interference where the goal is denied but no infraction was committed. That is absolutely nonsensical.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

Just in March:

Sundqvist of Blues fined for actions in Blues game | NHL.com

Forward disciplined $2,000 for embellishment against Oilers on Feb. 28

www.nhl.com

Cousins of Panthers fined for actions in Panthers game | NHL.com

Forward disciplined $2,000 for embellishment against Sabres on Feb. 27

www.nhl.com

Hathaway fined for actions in Flyers game | NHL.com

Forward disciplined $2,000 for embellishment against Bruins

www.nhl.com

OK that's on me.

I thought they were 5k ?

 

[Golden_Jet]

OK that's on me.

I thought they were 5k ?

5k is the max a player can be fined, but doesn’t have to be, no idea if there is a separate # for embellishing,
maybe for first time it’s 2k.

 

[HugeInTheShire]

What would be the point of challenging this? So they can change the call from a 2 minute minor for high sticking to a 2 minute minor for cross checking?

 

[AnInjuredJasonZucker]

Simple fix. If you actually get hit with a high stick, just throw your stick at the ref so they know.




This play doesn't look like embellishment, though.

 

[Number8]

Just in March:

Sundqvist of Blues fined for actions in Blues game | NHL.com

Forward disciplined $2,000 for embellishment against Oilers on Feb. 28

www.nhl.com

Cousins of Panthers fined for actions in Panthers game | NHL.com

Forward disciplined $2,000 for embellishment against Sabres on Feb. 27

www.nhl.com

Hathaway fined for actions in Flyers game | NHL.com

Forward disciplined $2,000 for embellishment against Bruins

www.nhl.com

This.

1) The OP example wasn’t embellishment to begin with. Pretty natural movement for a guy who has an opponents stick coming chest high.

2) Outside that embellishments suck. Maybe this is in play, I don’t know — but first case you get a fine after the fact as you’ve shown above. Second instance within a number of games, a suspension of 1 game. One game for every instance after that. Would nip embellishment in the bud. Don’t think players (PA) would care. Most hate that some players do this.

 

[MikeyMike01]

lol @ 10 seconds, I’ve seen 5+ minutes before, just like NHL sometimes.
I’ve seen them go to commercials, come back and still reviewing in the NFL.

Do you know what 'rare' means?

It's also a recent development.

 

[I Hate Blake Coleman]

What would be the point of challenging this? So they can change the call from a 2 minute minor for high sticking to a 2 minute minor for cross checking?

That's not even the best part: they'd likely take 20 minutes to review it on top of that.

 

[dre2112]

I thought we were going to see a Tim Stutzle type dive, instead all I see is a player slightly moving his head back out of the way from a stick that was riding up his chest and toward his neck/chin.

 

[WhataKnight]

I don’t really see that as embellishing, to me he was just moving his head away from potential contact and the ref took it as he was high sticked. These plays should be reviewable though

His head does snap back but the stick is pretty close to coming up, he then proceeds to push the stick away and continue play without holding his face at all.


100% a reffing issue and 0% an embellishment issue

Alright, watched the OP’s clip twice.

I agree that embellishment needs to be pushed down, though this isn’t the play that works as an example.

Petro leans back, sure. However, in this case, his arms are engaging the player the entire time - there’s a head-jerk back, but for this to be embellishment, I’m looking for sticks being dropped, hands over the face…..actions with the arms employed to make a ref or linesman look over and see the other guy’s stick up while the “diver” is imitating the shock of just getting darted in the face.

This instance looks more like how kangaroos spar.

 

[ohnoeszz]

I didn't have a problem with this call. I think it was dumb of Z to have his stick there.

I have more issue with the matching minors to Mantha and Podkolzin. Martha took 3 successive shots to Podz outside the play including a crosscheck up high and then podkolzin grazed Mantha's shinpad with his stick. Absurd that both players were penalized.

Canucks need to get over the reffing - it has never not been bad.

 

[RRhoads]

That was a natural reaction. Even if the stick misses completely, and swings by the face you are going to see reactions like this.