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This makes you wonder if Gretzky could have scored 1000 goals without injuries? At least 950+ seems possible.
It's insane. Ovechkin is the GOAT goal scorer.
Lol no, Mario was a better scorer (if you don't believe me just look a the stats) ,despite being the way more versatile player.
692 > 690. Those are the stats.
In way less games, my friend.
Adjusted goals:
Ovechkin 797
Lemieux 616
NHL & WHA Career Leaders and Records for Adjusted Goals | Hockey-Reference.com
According to adjusted stats:Even according to these fantasy "adjusted" stats,
Mario g/gp: 0,75
Ovi g/gp 0,61
So it does not exactly take a rocket scientist to figure out who is the better goal scorer.
If Ovi wasn't born the 1 goal mark would have been difficult for him.Also keep in mind, Mario lost at least four years of his prime due to injury&illness. If Ovi lost 4 prime years, even passin the 600 goals mark would have been difficult for him.
According to adjusted stats:
Ovechkin 797/1133=0.70
Lemieux 616/915=0.67
I mean Gretzky scored 92 goals, Lemieux has a bunch of seasons where he scored close to 1 GPG or more. I agree it's not as simple as Gretzky deciding to "playmake" one day, and "score" another.
This poster just explained how Caps setup their powerplay around Ovechking scoring. I assume in many seasons, Gretzky was doing the opposite, he was the setup guy, vs the goal-scorer. Hence - he scored less. Because he was more valuable that way.
It doesn't take anything away from Ovechkin. But to claim Lemieux and especially Gretzky couldn't have scored more goals if they weren't relied on so heavily as playmakers is just arguing in bad faith.
They are based on one simple concept: all NHL seasons are equal. Of course it's simplify things, because today's NHL would crash NHL from the 80s with modern technology and worldwide talents. That's why these adjusted stats hurt more modern super athletes than athletes from the past.adjusted stats are totally fantasy
They are based on one simple concept: all NHL seasons are equal. Of course it's simplify things, because today's NHL would crash NHL from the 80s with modern technology and worldwide talents. That's why these adjusted stats hurt more modern super athletes than athletes from the past.
How crazy is it that Ovechkin has already taken 400 plus more shots than Wayne Gretzky took in Gretzky’s entire career yet is still more than 200 goals behind the Great One?
What? Where did you get it from? That's your fantasy. No one gets special benefit.They begin with the premise of “Crosby can’t be that far behind Gretzky, he’s so good at hockey. Must be something we can adjust for to make them look how I imagine they should look. We will just make Crosby’s points equal 1.37 points each and Gretzky’s 0.62 each and that should line them up better”
In order to account for different schedule lengths, roster sizes, and scoring environments, some statistics have been adjusted. All statistics have been adjusted to an 82-game schedule with a maximum roster size of 18 skaters and league averages of 6 goals per game and 1.67 assists per goal.
Adjusted Goals
We will use Gordie Howe's 1952-53 season as an example, a season in which Howe scored a career-high 49 goals.
The first step in this process is to calculate a schedule adjustment for each player. In order to do this, divide 82 by the number of scheduled games per team. In 1952-53 the NHL played a 70-game schedule, so the schedule adjustment is 82 / 70 = 1.17.
The roster size adjustment is computed by dividing the maximum roster size for the season in question by 18. Teams were allowed to carry a maximum of 16 skaters at home and 15 skaters on the road during the 1952-53 season, so the roster size adjustment is 15.5 / 18 = 0.86.
Next calculate the era adjustment, which we will do by dividing 6 by the league average goals per game without the player in question. In 1952-53 a total of 1006 goals were scored in 210 games. Without Howe this works out to (1006 - 49) / 210 = 4.56 goals per game, so our era adjustment is 6 / 4.56 = 1.32.
Finally, we put everything together. Take the player's actual goals and multiply by the adjustments we computed above. For Howe in 1952-53 this is 49 * 1.17 * 0.86 * 1.32 = 65 adjusted goals.
Adjusted Assists
Once again we will use Howe's 1952-53 season, when Howe had 46 assists, as an example.
First compute the schedule and roster size adjustments as above. The era adjustment is found by dividing 10 (which is the product of 6 goals per game and 1.67 assists per goal) by the league average assists per game without the player in question. In 1952-53 a total of 1513 assists were awarded in 210 games. Without Howe this works out to (1513 - 46) / 210 = 6.99 assists per game, so our era adjustment is 10 / 6.99 = 1.43.
Adjusted assists are then computed by multiplying the player's actual assists by the three adjustments. For Howe we get 46 * 1.17 * 0.86 * 1.43 = 66 adjusted assists.
Adjusted Points
Adjusted points are simply the sum of adjusted goals and adjusted assists.
Sure...and then you factor in Bossy-era cardboard figure goalies, small goalie equipment, lack of systematic shot blocking and undeveloped team defensive systems in general....
Being able to generate shots is a good thing. If we were judging goal scoring purely on shooting%, Andrew Brunette would be one of the greatest goal scorers of all time.How crazy is it that Ovechkin has already taken 400 plus more shots than Wayne Gretzky took in Gretzky’s entire career yet is still more than 200 goals behind the Great One?
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