How crazy is it that Ovechkin may tie Gretkzy and Bossy for most 50-goal seasons this year?
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sting101
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It's insane. Ovechkin is the GOAT goal scorer.
Yes...and he also played in an era with, way, way higher scoring.
But Gretzky will never break Ovi's main board threads record.
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sting101
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I'm not sure i understand the point of this thread then
Surely a current player on pace to tie a scoring record previously thought untouchable is worthy of a thread on HFBoards.
And yes, I'm sure this thread or one very similar gets posted every few days here.
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It is only crazy because people failed to live in reality where Ovechkin is one of the greatest of all time. It took more than a decade before he got his due despite him earning it much sooner.
It would be like me making a thread being like "Man, isn't it crazy how good Crosby is?". It's not crazy because Crosby being as good as he was has been widely accepted.
It would be like me making a thread being like "Man, isn't it crazy how good Crosby is?". It's not crazy because Crosby being as good as he was has been widely accepted.
That's absurd. Ovechkin was coming off a 32-goal season in 2011.
And this has nothing to do with saying Ovechkin is good. Everyone knew he was good before he played a single NHL game. Nobody, you included, ever predicted he'd be on the cusp of possibly breaking Gretzky/Bossy goal-scoring records.
Lastly, what's made Ovechkin one of the greatest of all-time is what he's accomplished in the past 10 seasons. He's only had 1 "crazy" goal scoring season in his entire career. It's his consistency that's put him in Gretzky/Bossy territory.
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He had three straight insane seasons from 07-10 where he scored goals at a historic rate when you consider goal scoring and where he was relative to his peers.
38 goals is considered a disappointment, that's how good of a goal scorer he was.
The popular opinion on Ovechkin took a major upswing since he won the cup. Since then, the idea that he could break Gretzky's record has a lot of momentum. People weren't living in reality even a year or two before him winning the cup. He was not getting his due.
50 goals in 13-14 or 14-15 is way more impressive than 60 or 70 in some eras. Ovechkin having three 30+ goal seasons over the last 15 years doesn't change that people have been way too late on properly evaluating Ovechkin's place in history as potentially the greatest goal scorer of all time.
So 10 years ago, you knew he'd never get injured (Stamkos, Crosby, Lindros, Neely, Lemieux, Gretzky, Orr, and countless others) and you knew he'd be scoring 50 goals and still at his scoring peak deep into his 30s (which is basically unheard of)?
The last 3 seasons, Ovechkin will likely have scored 150+ goals. That is what is most remarkable. Not what he did when he was in his early 20s.
There are countless players who put up sick goal-scoring numbers in their physical prime, and then fall off rapidly due to age and injury. Ovechkin is breaking the mold in that regard and that, more than anything, is what is putting him in the conversation as greatest of all-time; not what he did 12 years ago.
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In other news, Ovechkin has cured cancer and achieved peace in the Middle East. The World Bank wants him to solve economic disparity, and the New York Times has already declared him Man of the Millennium, because, let's face it, who in the next 980 years is going to equal his achievements?
"only 4" 30-39 goal seasons (32-2011/38-2012/32-2013/33-2016), The rest are all over 49 goals.
It is absolutely asinine that he isn't already conisdered the best goal scorer ever. Gretzky had 217 goals after the age of 30 (604 games from 30 until retirement). Ovechkin had 217 goals 317 games.
It is absolutely asinine that he isn't already conisdered the best goal scorer ever. Gretzky had 217 goals after the age of 30 (604 games from 30 until retirement). Ovechkin had 217 goals 317 games.
Gretzky's goal scoring pretty much ended after his back injury. He never scored 40 goals in a season after that and was never the same player after 1991.
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Different rules league is softer than back in Grez days.Example two line passing in no longer a rule and rules change on hitting.
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Gretzky was not in the top 10 in goals in 87/88, 89/90 or 90/91, all of which were before the Suter hit.
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Ovechkin is literally the only player other than Lemieux(who only did it once and at age 30) to lead the league in goals at 30+ years old since Esposito did it a few times playing with Orr 40 years ago
30 is ancient for a goal scorer
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87/88 Gretzky missed 16 games due to injury (shoulder, I believe) and would have easily finished 1st in points (by double digits) and top 10 in goals that season had he played his historical average of 77-80 games. He went on an absolute tear during the '88 playoffs.
88-89 Gretzky scores 54 goals, good for 4th in league goal scoring, with 168 points on a far weaker LA team compared to the Oilers. He wins league MVP (somewhat controversially).
89-90 Gretzky scores 42 goals and 142 points after missing 7 games due to injury. Wins the Art Ross going away. A down year, by his standards, but still Gretzky-esque.
90-91 Gretzky scores 41 goals and a disgusting 163 points to yet again win the Art Ross, this time by more than 30 points. At this point, it's Wayne and Mario... then everyone else.
Summer of 1991 he injures his back in the Canada Cup. Gretzky is a completely different player from this point on.
1991-92 goals immediately drop from 41 to 31. Points drop from 163 to 121. This is, by leaps and bounds, the dirt worst season of his entire career up to this point, and the only season ever where he is a minus player (going from +30 to -12). He is essentially a minus player the rest of his career and never again scores 40 goals.
That stat is fairly meaningless, as it cherry picks Gretzky's worst years (many during the much lower-scoring dead puck era) and compares them to some of Ovechkin's best years.
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I wouldn’t say it’s meaningless, it reinforces that Ovechkin has gotten better and is trending at a consistent pace as he’s gotten older, while all other top players in history have declined rapidly after the age of 30.
it also shows that Howe was a beast in his era
*edit* i meant this stat, my bad it was on the twitter thread
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Let's see what Ovie can do with a full on solid wood stick and a legal curve.
And I'm an Ovechkin fan.
