Rumor: Hornqvist to Florida for Matheson

[wheelz87]

It would be AWFULLY awkward if it fell through and they all just collectively shrugged. At this point you kinda have to trade the guy.

And if so... I’m guessing JR can do EVEN WORSE the next go around..

 

[violaswallet]

To be fair, JR DID try to get him back, lol!



I don't what I feel...maybe a little relief but I was warming up to the prospect of Matheson.

Now...if this doesn't go through...do they try something else? JJ+ZAR for Matheson @$4mil?

That said...here's something for people to chew on:

JR said he shopped Horny and wasn't getting the return but then they do pull the trigger on this. That means, logically, this is the BEST return JR found for Horny. If this deal doesn't go through because the contract can't be insured, that will plummet Horny's value or at the very least, give a darn good amount of leverage to the other GM. If this was a cap clearing move...we may be SOL.

Now keeping Horny may be the better overall option at this time vs Matheson but it terrifies me that if it's not Matheson...who does JR go after next?

More ideally, send JJ out to clear space and be done with it.

Florida fan: given league money issues, I think the idea of a playing earning >5M on LTIR terrifies owners especially with Hornqvist's injury history...the cap freedom is nice, but dollars might be a problem. I think a team like Toronto or the Rangers could afford it though

 

[Jobeycool]

Does not matter anyway you look at it,Hornqvist is going to be traded to someone.

 

[Jaded-Fan]

This is kinda how I feel about this.

 

[K Fleur]

I'm only on page 33 right now, so maybe it's already been addressed. But there's been plenty of posters who saw Hornqvist being traded -- if he'd waive his clause.

Can’t imagine reading this whole thing. You’re doing the lord’s work.

 

[Headshot77]

Matheson's contract is weird in that it's backloaded instead of frontloaded. So, in three years his contract will be even LESS attractive because his real salary will be closer to 6.5 million.

 

[HandshakeLine]

Hornqvist getting traded is fine, but if this team is so desperate to be rid of him, why trade him for another JJesque contract?

 

[Gurglesons]

Matheson's contract is weird in that it's backloaded instead of frontloaded. So, in three years his contract will be even LESS attractive because his real salary will be closer to 6.5 million.

Plus he has trade protection after this year.

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

K. Over the last three seasons Matheson has as many ES goals as Barrie, Dumba and OEL.

JJ's zone exit / entires data was much lower than Matheson's. Some Penguin blogger made a comment about that without knowning what they were talking about. He was close to an average player in terms of zone exit / entries and they extrapolated it over a 3 year period.

That's nice, but he also doesn't produce anywhere close to what they do overall and he's terrible defensively.

This is just the Sheary "ES goals" argument all over again and I'd rather not rehash it. Needless to say, ES goals alone don't make any player, but especially a defenseman of all things.

JJ's zone exits were talked about by some of the more reputable analytics guys. Again, I wish the search function here was competent.

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

43 pages of nothing....

Look on the bright side, nothing is better than it actually happening.

 

[Rakell67]

I don’t understand the insurance part. If Hornqvist gets injured, can’t they just put him on LTIR?

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

Hornqvist getting traded is fine, but if this team is so desperate to be rid of him, why trade him for another JJesque contract?

Because he scores ES goals, you clod.

 

[Gurglesons]

That's nice, but he also doesn't produce anywhere close to what they do overall and he's terrible defensively.

This is just the Sheary "ES goals" argument all over again and I'd rather not rehash it. Needless to say, ES goals alone don't make any player, but especially a defenseman of all things.

JJ's zone exits were talked about by some of the more reputable analytics guys. Again, I wish the search function here was competent.

He has regularly produced ES wise what Dumba and OEL have over the last couple seasons aside from a big time year from Dumba.

 

[HandshakeLine]

Because he scores ES goals, you clod.

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[Jacob]

Do Dumba and OEL get scratched or played at forward?

 

[Empoleon8771]

I don’t understand the insurance part. If Hornqvist gets injured, can’t they just put him on LTIR?

They still have to pay him. They want insurance to pay Hornqvist's LTIR costs, and Hornqvist doesn't have any insurance on his deal.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

If this falls through, I'll be happy. Not because Hornqvist is still here, but because there's a chance JR can find a better return for him than an all-or-nothing guy making way too much money for way too long. Matheson's potential ceiling is intriguing, but that contract is abysmal. Though, nothing matters in two years anyway.

If the trade goes through, hope Matheson can find the next level alongside Marino and under the guidance of Reirden who Niskanen apparently owes his career to.

 

[Gurglesons]

Do Dumba and OEL get scratched or played at forward?

Are we going to legitimately act like Florida has any clue what they've been doing over the last three or four years?

TBH. When has our scouting staff returned a player that sucks in a trade outside of Jack Johnson?

Like name a trade where we got back a player since Rutherford took over that was out of the league within a couple years of moving on from us because of their play and not their age.

 

[JimmyTwoTimes]

In this NHL, 20 goals, 50 points, ability to drive play, and grit is worth 5 million. Hornqvist is only slightly overpaid and 3 years is not long. The reason this trade sucks is because Hornqvist definitely had more value than this.

Maybe there is a team out there (Leafs) that feel they are a PH type of player from contending.

They could offer us something better. Our 15th overall back. And Hallander

 

[Ugene Magic]

I don’t understand the insurance part. If Hornqvist gets injured, can’t they just put him on LTIR?

Not that kind of insurance. Insurance to cover his actual salary they are still on the hook for regardless. They can go over the cap if he's LTIR'ed and if they bring in another player who's gonna cost near the same or less they are out more in pocket money.

 

[EVGENIMERLIN]

Idiots.

The Pens are a toy to a guy with $2.6 billion.

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He certainly doesn't have an internal cap.

Panthers have the cap (rumored)

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

Are we going to legitimately act like Florida has any clue what they've been doing over the last three or four years?

"We know why he was was scratched, and played at forward, and why his teammates spray painted a pylon on his face when he was passed out at the season wrap-up party, and it wasn't because of his play."

 

[SomeDude]

If this officially falls through, Hornqvist is a Pen for life, I can’t see anyone taking his contract uninsured.

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

He has regularly produced ES wise what Dumba and OEL have over the last couple seasons aside from a big time year from Dumba.

So if you eliminate Barrie, and PP value, and that one year from Dumba, Matheson has been as productive as those 3 defensemen who he's far, far worse defensively than.

 

[Empoleon8771]

If this officially falls through, Hornqvist is a Pen for life, I can’t see anyone taking his contract uninsured.

Yeah I agree with this. Which I think sucks for the Penguins, but it's whatever.

Hornqvist not being insured basically sends his trade value down the toilet, and it greatly reduces the Penguins ability to make changes this off-season.