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It would be AWFULLY awkward if it fell through and they all just collectively shrugged. At this point you kinda have to trade the guy.
And if so... I’m guessing JR can do EVEN WORSE the next go around..
It would be AWFULLY awkward if it fell through and they all just collectively shrugged. At this point you kinda have to trade the guy.
Florida fan: given league money issues, I think the idea of a playing earning >5M on LTIR terrifies owners especially with Hornqvist's injury history...the cap freedom is nice, but dollars might be a problem. I think a team like Toronto or the Rangers could afford it thoughTo be fair, JR DID try to get him back, lol!
I don't what I feel...maybe a little relief but I was warming up to the prospect of Matheson.
Now...if this doesn't go through...do they try something else? JJ+ZAR for Matheson @$4mil?
That said...here's something for people to chew on:
JR said he shopped Horny and wasn't getting the return but then they do pull the trigger on this. That means, logically, this is the BEST return JR found for Horny. If this deal doesn't go through because the contract can't be insured, that will plummet Horny's value or at the very least, give a darn good amount of leverage to the other GM. If this was a cap clearing move...we may be SOL.
Now keeping Horny may be the better overall option at this time vs Matheson but it terrifies me that if it's not Matheson...who does JR go after next?
More ideally, send JJ out to clear space and be done with it.
I'm only on page 33 right now, so maybe it's already been addressed. But there's been plenty of posters who saw Hornqvist being traded -- if he'd waive his clause.
Matheson's contract is weird in that it's backloaded instead of frontloaded. So, in three years his contract will be even LESS attractive because his real salary will be closer to 6.5 million.
K. Over the last three seasons Matheson has as many ES goals as Barrie, Dumba and OEL.
JJ's zone exit / entires data was much lower than Matheson's. Some Penguin blogger made a comment about that without knowning what they were talking about. He was close to an average player in terms of zone exit / entries and they extrapolated it over a 3 year period.
43 pages of nothing....
Hornqvist getting traded is fine, but if this team is so desperate to be rid of him, why trade him for another JJesque contract?
That's nice, but he also doesn't produce anywhere close to what they do overall and he's terrible defensively.
This is just the Sheary "ES goals" argument all over again and I'd rather not rehash it. Needless to say, ES goals alone don't make any player, but especially a defenseman of all things.
JJ's zone exits were talked about by some of the more reputable analytics guys. Again, I wish the search function here was competent.
Because he scores ES goals, you clod.
I don’t understand the insurance part. If Hornqvist gets injured, can’t they just put him on LTIR?
Do Dumba and OEL get scratched or played at forward?
In this NHL, 20 goals, 50 points, ability to drive play, and grit is worth 5 million. Hornqvist is only slightly overpaid and 3 years is not long. The reason this trade sucks is because Hornqvist definitely had more value than this.
I don’t understand the insurance part. If Hornqvist gets injured, can’t they just put him on LTIR?
Panthers have the cap (rumored)Idiots.
The Pens are a toy to a guy with $2.6 billion.
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He certainly doesn't have an internal cap.
Are we going to legitimately act like Florida has any clue what they've been doing over the last three or four years?
He has regularly produced ES wise what Dumba and OEL have over the last couple seasons aside from a big time year from Dumba.
If this officially falls through, Hornqvist is a Pen for life, I can’t see anyone taking his contract uninsured.