Hodgson or Kadri

[Bravid Nonahan]

Also attended the Marlies vs. Moose game tonight. Thought Kadri made some boneheaded passes to the opposition on the PP (multiple times). He does play with an edge, but falls on ass when trying to play bigger than he is. He created next to nothing offensively. Don't see him being an NHL regular any time soon.

Hodgson is sloooow (poor acceleration, wide awkward stride) and look much smaller than stats says he is. He was a step behind the play which led to some scoring chances against, but offensively did manage to get off two tricky shots on the right side on the rush and had his stick lifted near the crease for an almost goal. Didn't win too many faceoffs and he's quite weak on the puck. Would it be wrong to compare him to Robbie Schremp at 20 in the AHL?

FYI - I've seen both play before.

If I had to choose? Hodgson. Even if you suck at skating, are weak on the puck, and slow enough to be a defensive liability - you can carve out a career in the NHL if you have elite hockey vision.

I think Kadri will be a regular next season.

 

[Addison Rae]

injuries; drafted a year earlier. why do you keep ignoring this. let it go

You realize Daniel Sedin went through almost the same injury, I heard he turned out fine.

 

[JSilvius*]

Kadri outproduces Hodgson one year, and he's the "Hands down better prospect" Oh lord typical HF way "What have you done for me lately" Hodgson also brings intangibles to the table. I'd rather have the player who scores more goals, is a fantastic two-way player and is also a great leader.

Kadri has been out-producing Hodgson for the past two years. I don't agree with the statement that Hodgson is a year older than Kadri though...more like a few months IIRC. Kadri also isn't a one-dimensional scorer, he has a developing physical game and actually goes into the corners (not saying Hodgson doesn't, just saying that Kadri isn't a one-dimensional player like Phil Kessel).

 

[bobbyflex]

You realize Daniel Sedin went through almost the same injury, I heard he turned out fine.

good thing you guys (Burke) didn't give up on him because his first four years in the NHL were pretty damn "shakey"

 

[Addison Rae]

good thing you guys (Burke) didn't give up on him because his first four years in the NHL were pretty damn "shakey"

Your point being? Sedin is now a top 5 forward in the game.

 

[member 105785]

Your point being? Sedin is now a top 5 forward in the game.

And that is DEFINITELY not because of Burke.

That's because of AV over the past few years and Gillis making Vancouver feel like a winning environment.

 

[Addison Rae]

Kadri has been out-producing Hodgson for the past two years. I don't agree with the statement that Hodgson is a year older than Kadri though...more like a few months IIRC. Kadri also isn't a one-dimensional scorer, he has a developing physical game and actually goes into the corners (not saying Hodgson doesn't, just saying that Kadri isn't a one-dimensional player like Phil Kessel).

I never said Kadri was one-dimensional, 'cause he isn't but Hodgson's two-way game is superior to Kadri's.

 

[Grub]

Right now... neither.

Hodgson has been a disappointment IMO after the hype that we Canuck fans...... portrayed.

Don't kid yourselves... I like Gillis' mentality of brains over speed... but Hodgson needs to improve his skating. He looks slow out there...and in the NHL, you need speed. I watched the game today and he seemed rather weak on the puck... very weak.

I know injury has been an issue... but I really expected more from a supposedly top tier prospect. There are guys now in that 2008 that I would pick ahead of him... in fact there are quite a few.

 

[JSilvius*]

Right now... neither.

Hodgson has been a disappointment IMO after the hype that we Canuck fans...... portrayed.

Don't kid yourselves... I like Gillis' mentality of brains over speed... but Hodgson needs to improve his skating. He looks slow out there...and in the NHL, you need speed. I watched the game today and he seemed rather weak on the puck... very weak.

I know injury has been an issue... but I really expected more from a supposedly top tier prospect. There are guys now in that 2008 that I would pick ahead of him... in fact there are quite a few.

Who would you pick over Hodgson? Aside from Myers and Karlsson, who are more valuable than most players in the draft aside from Doughty and Stamkos, I don't really know who else would go before Hodgson. Possibly Ennis, Del Zotto, Eberle, Carlson, Stepan, Adam or Demers? I think I would take Hodgson over all of them except for Carlson.

EDIT: I'm also not sure why you said neither . Kadri is looking like a promising prospect right now. He receives so much unjustified hate on this website that it's unreal. He's a top-10 pick from 2 seasons ago, and he's done nothing but improve. His point totals have continued to rise and he's grown bigger. I don't see why he's not a viable option.

 

[TheGroceryStick]

Its Cody for sure.

lets stop being blind.

give him a few years.....yet i dont know where this guy will fit into Vancouver. He has top 6 written all over him

 

[member 105785]

Its Cody for sure.

lets stop being blind.

give him a few years.....yet i dont know where this guy will fit into Vancouver. He has top 6 written all over him

He can play wing too and he can learn tons from Malhotra. Samuelsson is also gone in 1.5 years and Manny in 2.5, plus I'm not convinced that Tambellini is in Gillis' long term plans.

Everyone seems to forget that Kesler & Burrows were once our 3rd line checking team as well, so he'll have a spot guaranteed as 3rd line center until the Sedins retire or Kesler plays between the twins and Hodgson can be bumped up.

Raymond & Tambellini are also capable of playing a bottom 6 role. Raymond just needs another few years to develop and he's not in any real rush.

 

[VelvetJones]

I think Kadri will be more successful because the Leafs will need to play him. I have doubts Hodgson get's out of the minors as the Canucks will be a tough team to make the next 3 years.

 

[seanlinden]

In otherwords if Hodgson doesn't realize his potential he can still be a Manny Malholtra, while Kadri has greater offensive upside but is top 6 or bust. That's probably pretty fair.

But as far as fan reception & hype goes, the prospects who Kadri remind me of from Vancouver is the late Luc Bourdon. Having a large fanbase. Both came to a a hockey mad city that was starved for good high impact prospects so we hype the hell out of them, but neither were the best among their peers and probably just a notch below where the fans want/hope/believe them to be.

At this stage of his career, Manny Malhotra would be a pretty good upside. Could easily be looking at a Tim Brent / Mike Zigomanis.

Bourdon was a great defenceman.

 

[member 105785]

I think Kadri will be more successful because the Leafs will need to play him. I have doubts Hodgson get's out of the minors as the Canucks will be a tough team to make the next 3 years.

Both him and Malhotra can play wing.

 

[RealGudbranson]

There is a lot of misinformation in this thread about Hodgson's injury woes, and some misinterpretations of his AHL stats.

First, after his 115 odd game season, and meeting with 5 specialists Hodgson finally had surgery (similar to Daniel Sedin's) near the beginning of the season. He only picked up his speed, conditioning and scoring touch until Lee Sweatt broke his orbital bone.

And now he hasn't played or worked out hard for six weeks. Whoever saw the Marlies game will agree that his acceleration looked slow, however, some of this is from not being able to work out for six weeks (near-eye injuries are tricky).

That said... I don't know who the better prospect is.

 

[Thrillingbroom]

Was at the Marlies vs Moose Match today

Both did not have great games, but Hodgson by a nose. Skill wise i would say Kadri has a bit more, But Hodgson's Vision is just too good to pass on

That's actually the one thing that impressed me when Kadri was in the NHL, he showed some good vision but needed to improve his shot, and overall strength.

 

[Hale The Villain]

Kadri

 

[MoreMogilny]

At this stage of his career, Manny Malhotra would be a pretty good upside. Could easily be looking at a Tim Brent / Mike Zigomanis.

Bourdon was a great defenceman.

Man come on. Manny Malholtra as good upside for Hodgson? That is underrating him quite a bit. He still has 1st line potential, even if he is struggling a bit in the AHL.

 

[seanlinden]

Man come on. Manny Malholtra as good upside for Hodgson? That is underrating him quite a bit. He still has 1st line potential, even if he is struggling a bit in the AHL.

A regular NHL player would be a good upside for a guy who's had Hodgson's injuries at such a crucial development stage.

 

[zeke]

I still don't get why people are so scared to point out the obvious with Hodgson - he's not very good. He's a poor skater, and pretty soft to boot. What's more, he doesn't have any standout skill to make anyone think he's got any kind of undeniable upside. His calling cards are "smarts" and "character", and he's built his reputation as a prospect on those fairly suspect legs. He's struggling to be even an average player in the AHL at this point. His upside is looking more and more like a Matt Stajan type player.

Kadri's a year younger, and simply better than Hodgson already. Not only is Kadri easily putting up a PPG as the youngest player in the AHL, but he's doing it on a team where no other player is coming anywhere close to that level of production. And if being the considerably more skilled and productive and younger prospect isn't enough, Kadri also brings a consistent grit and physical edge which Hodgson never does.

I can't imagine that there is any person in the hockey world who, if they were actually running a team and their job actually depended on making good decisions for their hockey team, wouldn't choose kadri. they'd be stupid not to.

 

[CherryToke]

Hodgson has a much better skill set but he seems to be fragile, so i'll take Kadri.

 

[mcphllp]

ahl stats, while not being a completely accurate way to assess, show that kadri is head and shoulders above hodgson

 

[The Podium]

I still don't get why people are so scared to point out the obvious with Hodgson - he's not very good. He's a poor skater, and pretty soft to boot. What's more, he doesn't have any standout skill to make anyone think he's got any kind of undeniable upside. His calling cards are "smarts" and "character", and he's built his reputation as a prospect on those fairly suspect legs. He's struggling to be even an average player in the AHL at this point. His upside is looking more and more like a Matt Stajan type player.

Kadri's a year younger, and simply better than Hodgson already. Not only is Kadri easily putting up a PPG as the youngest player in the AHL, but he's doing it on a team where no other player is coming anywhere close to that level of production. And if being the considerably more skilled and productive and younger prospect isn't enough, Kadri also brings a consistent grit and physical edge which Hodgson never does.

I can't imagine that there is any person in the hockey world who, if they were actually running a team and their job actually depended on making good decisions for their hockey team, wouldn't choose kadri. they'd be stupid not to.

I usually never agree with zeke but this is pretty dead on. Hodgsons skills do not match up to his IQ and although he may think the game very well his skating will be the biggest barrier to over come before he can be an NHL regular.

 

[dubey]

I'd go with Hodgson as a slight edge for the following brief reasons:

- Hodgson hangs around more elite company: Like Stamkos, Tavares.
- His workouts are in-tense.
- His work-ethic is constantly praised and in the long term work ethic is what your career really depends on.
- In a better environment. Canucks are sorted out contenders with cap specialists, depth, sleep doctors etc.,. Toronto is rebuilding and in denial about it, that puts more pressure on the younger stars and in general Kadri will be surrounded with less talent and depth to take the load off.

That's all.

lol

I read through the thread and it's same troll fest from both sides that we've come to expect from VAN vs TOR prospect threads but this post was too good to pass up.

Sounds like you aren't picking Hodgson at all but instead the environment that he is supposedly developing in. Replace Hodgson with any other prospect regardless of talent and you'd pick them too. At least that's what it sounds like.

 

[TheGroceryStick]

I know you dont want a leaf fan giving a analysis but:

This is IF both both players make it to there full potential with the team.
(Both projected to be 1st line centers)

-Hodgson - a strong skater, hard to knock off the puck. A player with great vision, netting goals and setting up linemates. has similar G to A. (40-40) player.

-Kadri - a Flashy centerman or converted winger. Who wants to be the one to light the lamp or atleast be apart of the play. Edgey and gritty, but moreso a shifty skater with decent hands.

verdict:
Hodgson is more of the straight forward center man (i.e dump the puck in, and outwork a team to score goals)
Kadri will be the guy who tries to make plays out of nothing, with higher risk moves.