that would also explain how he played for so many teams at the end of his career
i have yet to see the similarities to Kovy
LeBrun: Habs want at least a 2nd round pick for Kovalchuk
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that would also explain how he played for so many teams at the end of his career
i have yet to see the similarities to Kovy
Weak defensively, gets most of his points on a PP, more offensive starts, produces but is slow and not great at anything else. Could be used to describe Vanek or Kovalchuk.
And yes these types of players can be found for free in free agency but no one is going to pay a 1st +. Even less likely for a guy who was bought out half way through the year, not wanted by anyone, and has now just had a good 15 games.
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Wanna check his overall stats? But sure, I forgot in Habs land all we do is look at the last 15 games played. I get you guys haven’t seen a good offensive player in a long time, but calm down on the hype. There’s about a 0% chance he gets a 1st, never mind the 1st plus that some of you are expecting
If Vanek can only get a 3rd, Kovalchuk will too. I can play that game just as easily.
If say Joe Thornton or Marleau put up 12pts in their last 15 games would you expect San Jose to ask for a 1st +?
I could see a team being desperate and trading a 2nd because those are shots in the dark anyways, but I’m arguing against posters saying he’s worth a 1st +. That definitely won’t happen.
Kovy is a perfect fit in Montreal. He's liked by the fans, he's liked in the locker room, and on top of all that he's been playing great.
imo they should re-sign him.
imo they should re-sign him.
I can see Marleau/Thornton getting 2nds for their experience/leadership - not for what they might contribute offensively. again, this is apples and oranges
And how are two old players with small, one year salaries, who haven’t been very productive for over a year, were once very good, and producing 12pts in 15 games apples and oranges? I’m excited to hear this.
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A 2nd and a 3rd are really not that big of a difference. You have made some good points but I'm not sure if you have taken into account the low salary with many teams not having much space. I feel that's what pushes him into the 2nd round return area. Personally I would try to keep him as a habs fan, guys been exciting here. Cheers
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Should we say Kovalchuk is an old, unproductive player on a hot streak.. Or just that he was a bad fit on a terrible team who had zero clue how to properly use such type of player ?
The thing is, Kovalchuk became good again as soon as his first shift at the Bell Centre. I have no idea whether he'll get traded, and for what, but he earned the benefice of the doubt so far. Maybe those last two years were the exception, not the rule.
The thing is, Kovalchuk became good again as soon as his first shift at the Bell Centre. I have no idea whether he'll get traded, and for what, but he earned the benefice of the doubt so far. Maybe those last two years were the exception, not the rule.
No, he’s shown he’s good for 15 games. So I’ll ask again, if Marleau and Thornton put up 12pts in their next 15 games will they now be worth a 1st + because it erases their previous two seasons like Kovalchuk?
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lemme know when Thornton and Marleau look like they're 35 again
Im asking IF they did, would they all of a sudden be worth a 1st because of a good 15 games? Because that’s exactly what you are saying about Kovalchuk. Funny how it seems to change when it’s not a Habs player...
Kovalchuk was worth exactly nothing 15 games ago
for sure, this is a guy who realizes he doesn't have many chances left. THAT being said, he's in a hockey-crazed market (something he's never experienced before), which loves its stars - even over-the-hill, he's being used properly (17-20 mins a night) on a team that is looking for a shooter. Habs have one of the fastest teams in the league, great possession numbers but can't score - especially when gallagher, drouin and armia were out for extended periods of time. he's in his chair here. Can he keep it up? he doesn't have to. He can contribute at 20 goals in the year. He's playing with suzuki, who looks for him all over the ice and armia, who is a puck-winner. Or he plays with Domi, who's also a playmaker.
Im asking IF they did, would they all of a sudden be worth a 1st because of a good 15 games? Because that’s exactly what you are saying about Kovalchuk. Funny how it seems to change when it’s not a Habs player...
Kovalchuk was worth exactly nothing 15 games ago
maybe, i don't know. i'm more concerned with my team
actually, Marleau was traded for a 1st recently
Kovalchuk isn’t worth a 1st. No team will pay that. A 2nd doesn’t seem unreasonable considering we’re talking a playoff bound team and the 2nd will be late. To base his value on what he was worth prior to signing in Montreal is just being willfully ignorant to to the context of the situation. He’s produced. He’s brought energy. hes always been a great locker room guy. He’s been defensively responsible (for the most part. )Im asking IF they did, would they all of a sudden be worth a 1st because of a good 15 games? Because that’s exactly what you are saying about Kovalchuk. Funny how it seems to change when it’s not a Habs player...
Kovalchuk was worth exactly nothing 15 games ago
Hell. Even Toronto biased TSN has him #3 on their trade deadline list
Over the statistics, you should consider the impact of his points. People who watched the games would tell you that we should be 6-8 pts less than where we are and out of the playoff picture. Its an important miss than many stats viewers maybe dont know about and one of the many reasons that explains the buzz in town about Ilya.
Yes. This is what I’ve been saying. I could see a 2nd possibly as scoring is a need for a few contenders, but no possible way he’s getting a 1st + like some Habs fans are expecting. I’m not basing his value on his previous stint because that would mean he’s worth nothing. But I’m also not ignoring it like a large number of fans are doing.
Ok. Cool. I guess I should have read the entire thread before commenting. It’s just tiring reading “we could have had him for free. Why would we give up anything for him now”. I assumed you fell into that camp. Lol. But yeah. A 2nd is likely the most Montreal gets if they move him. A 1st+ is a ridiculous expectation
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Did you even read the post you replied to? Or any of my posts for that matter?
Show me where I said kovalchuk will get us a 1st.
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